Updated Retirement Numbers
05-15-2023, 08:23 PM
#41
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probably make sub 1000 at retirement. WB captain at about 4500 in SFO, EWR, DCA. 2000 for IAH
05-16-2023, 02:49 AM
#44
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He stated you would retire sub 1000 (which I also believe to be incorrect)
Someone looked up a 32 year old and that was just over 1000
I looked up a 41 year old it was about 4500
Ill let you interpolate between 32 and 45
The number of years since hire for s/n 4500 depends whether united or continental hired them but they are equally irrelevant. Hire to wbca takes the majority of your career and that’s if you are lucky. There’s not any meaningful way to predict how the next couple decades of seniority progression and fleet/route development will go at Braniff vs TWA.
The 4000 people (roughly) hired post covid are going to make for some very weird seniority dynamics and time since hire will not be a useful shorthand for many situations.
05-16-2023, 04:08 AM
#45
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Frequently when someone says they’re a L-UAL 1995 hire, the next question asked is “when in 1995?” We will have the same thing with our 2021-2023 hires and hopefully beyond that.
05-16-2023, 05:15 AM
#46
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I got hired at a time that, at the time, was once considered the best of times at United as far as seniority progression is concerned. During those times, we were giving sheets in class that showed when we'd theoretically be able to hold certain seats. According to the sheet, and doing some math, I would have been a 777 CA......12 years ago. Now? Still years away from it. 5 years. 17 years beyond what the math said at that point. Point is, things can change a lot. The retirement numbers can be useful information. When you'd hold a particular aircraft isn't. Don't make a decision based on when the numbers can say you can hold a particular aircraft.
05-16-2023, 06:20 AM
#47
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I agree with this sentiment overall. I suggest folks to make a decision based on what airline meets the lifestyle/OOL needs. Seniority progression in the short-term is definitely a factor. But long-term, folks will just need to let the chips fall where they will since things do change.
05-16-2023, 06:22 AM
#48
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I agree with this sentiment overall. I suggest folks to make a decision based on what airline meets the lifestyle/OOL needs. Seniority progression in the short-term is definitely a factor. But long-term, folks will just need to let the chips fall where they will since things do change.
No matter how much “planning” you do- the unexpected will ALWAYS happen!
Make the best of your decisions, try and work for positive change.. enjoy what you can control.
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05-16-2023, 10:33 AM
#50
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Trying to correlate years of service to a seniority number is pointless since it depends on hiring trends year over year. If (hypothetically) today’s 4500 is a 30 year employee, that tells you nothing about where today’s new hire will be in 30 years.
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