United or Delta
04-29-2023, 04:51 AM
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I’d argue that making a decision for a long career based off of current contracts between two legacy airlines is a fool’s errand. Delta just got their contract, and we’re negotiating our next one. Looking back 20-30 years I’d bet that the difference between the two isn’t that great. Going forward I’d expect that trend to continue. Either would be a good choice, pick the one with the easiest commute or a base that you’d be willing to live in and enjoy the ride.
04-29-2023, 05:42 AM
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You can only make decisions based on what’s in writing at the time it’s time to decide. Ignoring what you know for what you hope is even more short sighted.
Dude has a Class date with Delta. Why on earth should he pass on what’s known to be good about to gamble on a bunch of conjecture about UALs potential next pilot contract? Too many unknowns. As it stands now from what was published on the negotiations updates DAL WB reserve rules blow UALs out of the water and he lives too far away to sit UAL short call at home… if he could sit short call at home, vs a 4.5hr drive to DAL to fly every time, it would probably be worth it to go UAL, but not out of IND now with the reserve rules that UAL has. I hope UAL beats every part of DALs contract, but I wouldn’t bet a career choice that they’d even match it in areas I found important. If they do the OP can always apply in the future after getting the full picture from both contracts.
Dude has a Class date with Delta. Why on earth should he pass on what’s known to be good about to gamble on a bunch of conjecture about UALs potential next pilot contract? Too many unknowns. As it stands now from what was published on the negotiations updates DAL WB reserve rules blow UALs out of the water and he lives too far away to sit UAL short call at home… if he could sit short call at home, vs a 4.5hr drive to DAL to fly every time, it would probably be worth it to go UAL, but not out of IND now with the reserve rules that UAL has. I hope UAL beats every part of DALs contract, but I wouldn’t bet a career choice that they’d even match it in areas I found important. If they do the OP can always apply in the future after getting the full picture from both contracts.
United hasn’t called him …..yet.
Some of you are so wrapped up in this contract BS that you are lost in the woods. United will get a contract on par with Delta. Why would the pilot group vote yes on anything less?
do me a favor and look back 37 years and tell me this is how you saw the airline industry ending up.
choose an airline that you want to spend your career at and settle in for the ride.
04-29-2023, 06:36 AM
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Do it all the time to visit family. Did it when I was living in IND too to go work in ORD. Super easy drive. But it's outside of the SC range so that's something I wouldn't risk. But you get the SIDA badge at ORD so you can use the employee parking lot so driving isn't too bad. It's like 3 hours and 15 minutes, maybe less or more depending on traffic to ORD.
UA does give $35 a month toward parking, so you could use that for the $30 a month IND parking pass, but you would forfeit the SIDA badge ability. Or you could just pay the IND pass out of pocket.
UA does give $35 a month toward parking, so you could use that for the $30 a month IND parking pass, but you would forfeit the SIDA badge ability. Or you could just pay the IND pass out of pocket.
04-29-2023, 11:30 AM
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Copied this from the Delta forum to get United’s opinion….
Currently I’m a SWA FO on mil leave with my 1yr at SWA coming up next month. I’ve already decided I’m leaving SWA, but I have a good problem I’m contemplating.
I’m 28, mil duty is in MCO, home is in IND. I really really like Delta, but I’d be foolish not to consider United with the MCO base. I have a CJO/Class Date with Delta and have an interview soon with United.
ATL/NYC/DTW work really well for me with Delta. MCO/ORD/EWR work well with United. I want to fly widebodies and both have that. Delta has a better contract and brand, but United’s bases could allow me to easily live in base.
Both seem like really good options. A lot better than SWA in the current market. My only worry is with recession possibly looming, of a furlough.
Would one carrier be better than the other when it comes to furlough protection? Is there something more I should consider before I make a decision? I’m leaning strongly Delta, but I don’t want to overlook United.
Currently I’m a SWA FO on mil leave with my 1yr at SWA coming up next month. I’ve already decided I’m leaving SWA, but I have a good problem I’m contemplating.
I’m 28, mil duty is in MCO, home is in IND. I really really like Delta, but I’d be foolish not to consider United with the MCO base. I have a CJO/Class Date with Delta and have an interview soon with United.
ATL/NYC/DTW work really well for me with Delta. MCO/ORD/EWR work well with United. I want to fly widebodies and both have that. Delta has a better contract and brand, but United’s bases could allow me to easily live in base.
Both seem like really good options. A lot better than SWA in the current market. My only worry is with recession possibly looming, of a furlough.
Would one carrier be better than the other when it comes to furlough protection? Is there something more I should consider before I make a decision? I’m leaning strongly Delta, but I don’t want to overlook United.
United hands down if you get the job offer
Or go to whoever gives you a class first
04-29-2023, 12:32 PM
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04-29-2023, 12:40 PM
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04-29-2023, 01:01 PM
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04-29-2023, 08:22 PM
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Copied this from the Delta forum to get United’s opinion….
Currently I’m a SWA FO on mil leave with my 1yr at SWA coming up next month. I’ve already decided I’m leaving SWA, but I have a good problem I’m contemplating.
I’m 28, mil duty is in MCO, home is in IND. I really really like Delta, but I’d be foolish not to consider United with the MCO base. I have a CJO/Class Date with Delta and have an interview soon with United.
ATL/NYC/DTW work really well for me with Delta. MCO/ORD/EWR work well with United. I want to fly widebodies and both have that. Delta has a better contract and brand, but United’s bases could allow me to easily live in base.
Both seem like really good options. A lot better than SWA in the current market. My only worry is with recession possibly looming, of a furlough.
Would one carrier be better than the other when it comes to furlough protection? Is there something more I should consider before I make a decision? I’m leaning strongly Delta, but I don’t want to overlook United.
Currently I’m a SWA FO on mil leave with my 1yr at SWA coming up next month. I’ve already decided I’m leaving SWA, but I have a good problem I’m contemplating.
I’m 28, mil duty is in MCO, home is in IND. I really really like Delta, but I’d be foolish not to consider United with the MCO base. I have a CJO/Class Date with Delta and have an interview soon with United.
ATL/NYC/DTW work really well for me with Delta. MCO/ORD/EWR work well with United. I want to fly widebodies and both have that. Delta has a better contract and brand, but United’s bases could allow me to easily live in base.
Both seem like really good options. A lot better than SWA in the current market. My only worry is with recession possibly looming, of a furlough.
Would one carrier be better than the other when it comes to furlough protection? Is there something more I should consider before I make a decision? I’m leaning strongly Delta, but I don’t want to overlook United.
I live in MCO, I heard so many good things from my peers at UA and DL.
I would love to have MCO eventually but I also like WB, I don't mind commuting at DL because my friends told me it is easy commute on DL, not so much on UA. DL has a better contract right now but who knows what UA will have.
I know I'll have to commute if I get WB at UA. The reserve rules are also no where as good as delta.
So right now I'm faced with a dilemma. Do I go to UA class first, see what I get and how it is, does it fit me? Then if I don't like go to DL? Or just go to DL directly?
04-29-2023, 08:43 PM
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This United commuting thing is scary stuff for someone from the outside looking in. It seems hard to believe it's so bad at a legacy but it certainly seems like a case of 'where there's smoke, there's fire', and there's a lot of smoke. So aside from the jumpseat senority issue, what makes it so bad? How do pilots handle the hardship; aside from moving to base? It seems like such a great opportunity but forum talk paints a heck of a picture...
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