Quigley
04-06-2023, 01:16 PM
#11
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We don’t know what is really on the table, just a partial list of vague bullet points. Depending on the final language, the negotiating notes email points could be really good or really bad. Without knowing what we’re actually dealing with, we can’t determine if it is acceptable or not.
04-06-2023, 02:19 PM
#12
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We don’t know what is really on the table, just a partial list of vague bullet points. Depending on the final language, the negotiating notes email points could be really good or really bad. Without knowing what we’re actually dealing with, we can’t determine if it is acceptable or not.
04-06-2023, 02:27 PM
#13
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Id agree, but we don’t know their final language either. People around here tend to get spun up over “what ifs” and rumors rather than wait and analyze actual factual data. I think that is what makes APC entertaining. It’s not a place for solving world problems, it’s the aviation themed Jerry Springer show.
04-06-2023, 05:13 PM
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Id agree, but we don’t know their final language either. People around here tend to get spun up over “what ifs” and rumors rather than wait and analyze actual factual data. I think that is what makes APC entertaining. It’s not a place for solving world problems, it’s the aviation themed Jerry Springer show.
04-06-2023, 06:10 PM
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Depends on the language. Take FSB for example. If we still have it, but it’s voluntary with add pay, that would be a major improvement. Reserve assignment rules, transparency, more days off, higher guarantee…… it’s all about the language and until that’s known, we don’t know if it’s leading or lagging. Also, there are other more important sections to focus on than always coming back to reserve. Yes our reserve rules are bad and need fixed, but we need to focus on the bigger sections too. All anyone talks about here is reserve.
04-06-2023, 06:19 PM
#16
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Depends on the language. Take FSB for example. If we still have it, but it’s voluntary with add pay, that would be a major improvement. Reserve assignment rules, transparency, more days off, higher guarantee…… it’s all about the language and until that’s known, we don’t know if it’s leading or lagging. Also, there are other more important sections to focus on than always coming back to reserve. Yes our reserve rules are bad and need fixed, but we need to focus on the bigger sections too. All anyone talks about here is reserve.
04-06-2023, 07:06 PM
#18
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Depends on the language. Take FSB for example. If we still have it, but it’s voluntary with add pay, that would be a major improvement. Reserve assignment rules, transparency, more days off, higher guarantee…… it’s all about the language and until that’s known, we don’t know if it’s leading or lagging. Also, there are other more important sections to focus on than always coming back to reserve. Yes our reserve rules are bad and need fixed, but we need to focus on the bigger sections too. All anyone talks about here is reserve.
04-06-2023, 10:09 PM
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Now 10am is seen as improvement because we gave it away in TA1.
04-07-2023, 03:39 AM
#20
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Clearly not as it appears he’ll remain involved in negotiations. Honestly pretty discouraging to hear him continue using platitudes like “industry leading” & “best & biggest” as if there’s anything other than their own selves standing in the way of that end. It’s basically just gaslighting at this point.
