Potential benefits to increase QOL for us
04-11-2023, 09:26 AM
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For a better quality of life? Especially as a commuter… absolutely… what’s the point of going to work miserable?
If I was going to be a commuter to both airlines, had less than 5 years on property and more than 10 years to go until I retired, I’d be gone to Delta based on the last NC update. You can make up for any lost wages by taking the upgrade at DAL at 400hrs and being junior in the left seat of a NB or right seat of a WB doesn’t suck nearly as much with 18hr long call no rolled days off and single flight requirements for commuting.
If I was going to be a commuter to both airlines, had less than 5 years on property and more than 10 years to go until I retired, I’d be gone to Delta based on the last NC update. You can make up for any lost wages by taking the upgrade at DAL at 400hrs and being junior in the left seat of a NB or right seat of a WB doesn’t suck nearly as much with 18hr long call no rolled days off and single flight requirements for commuting.
But we all need to take a step back and realize "leaving somewhere under 2-5 yrs" ain't what it used to be. Leaving inside 2 yrs used to mean eating maybe 700-1200 numbers. It's frigging 5000-10000 numbers now, so just be careful because that's seniority you lose for good. In today's wave, I'd say you need to jump inside 6 months if you're going to.
04-11-2023, 12:01 PM
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I was responding to pipeman who said he lived closer to a UAL base. But sure if the difference is commuting vs driving i can understand the jump- but..
But we all need to take a step back and realize "leaving somewhere under 2-5 yrs" ain't what it used to be. Leaving inside 2 yrs used to mean eating maybe 700-1200 numbers. It's frigging 5000-10000 numbers now, so just be careful because that's seniority you lose for good. In today's wave, I'd say you need to jump inside 6 months if you're going to.
But we all need to take a step back and realize "leaving somewhere under 2-5 yrs" ain't what it used to be. Leaving inside 2 yrs used to mean eating maybe 700-1200 numbers. It's frigging 5000-10000 numbers now, so just be careful because that's seniority you lose for good. In today's wave, I'd say you need to jump inside 6 months if you're going to.
04-11-2023, 12:47 PM
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Contracts come and go. We might get Delta + or maybe everyone will be subject to concessionary contracts in 2 years when Michael Burry's doomsday comes. I don't have to explain what a crapshoot this industry is on this board. But the fact is that you can't get those numbers back once they're gone.
By all available spreadsheets I’m sure they were right. Then suddenly 9/11 and airline recession, 3 to 2 pilot cockpits, airline BK and consolidations, age 60to 65 and voila all those advice/spreadsheets were bunk.
I know of three military pilots personally who left at year 16+, No one starved but Darbys advice was a career Trojan horse for them.
04-11-2023, 05:51 PM
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Remember Kit Darby? In late 90’s he ran a “get hired” type magazine/consulting biz that was telling military pilots to leave up till yr 18 (pension didn’t start unless you made it to 20).
By all available spreadsheets I’m sure they were right. Then suddenly 9/11 and airline recession, 3 to 2 pilot cockpits, airline BK and consolidations, age 60to 65 and voila all those advice/spreadsheets were bunk.
I know of three military pilots personally who left at year 16+, No one starved but Darbys advice was a career Trojan horse for them.
By all available spreadsheets I’m sure they were right. Then suddenly 9/11 and airline recession, 3 to 2 pilot cockpits, airline BK and consolidations, age 60to 65 and voila all those advice/spreadsheets were bunk.
I know of three military pilots personally who left at year 16+, No one starved but Darbys advice was a career Trojan horse for them.
04-12-2023, 11:35 AM
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Yeah these times bring up a lot of emotions in everyone. Don't get me wrong, I get as hot and steamy/turned on as the next guy when seeing all the aircraft orders and growth, but I am looking forward to big improvements QOL wise.
04-12-2023, 11:51 AM
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If you're already driving to work, i think most people would strongly advise you stick around. This will be over sooner than later in the grand scheme of things.
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