Originally Posted by Hedley

Exactly, and then we should stop honoring seniority when bidding vacation and monthly schedules. We can do it in the name of equity, or social justice.🙄

Originally Posted by Hedley

It was a sarcastic joke. Thought the “🙄” made that clear.

Originally Posted by LumberJack

Delta airport standby (VAS Voluntary Airport Standby)
- Lasts 6 hours
- Pays anywhere from 3 to 30+ hours
- Required to be "on the airport premises"
- Maximum duration of assigned flying is 2 days ("will be released upon transiting their base or the second calendar day, whichever occurs first.")

Line holder
- Pays 8:15 if not assigned flying (ADG (5:15) plus 3 hours)
- Pays the rotation assigned (5:15 or 10:30 minimum) plus 3 hours per day (3 or 6).
- Can be offered as Green Slip (pays an additional 100% of the rotation assigned (5:15 or 10:30 minimum)

Line holder examples:
- ​​​​​​Unused pays 8.25 hours (5:15 + 3:00)
- Unused GS pays 13.5 hours (5:15 + 5:15 + 3:00)

- Two-day transcon pays 18 hours (12:00 + 3:00 + 3:00)
- Two-day GS transcon pays 30 hours (12:00 + 12:00 + 3:00 + 3:00)

Reserve
- Credited a short call
- 3 hours add pay for each day (3 or 6)
- ADG or trip credit (whichever is higher) goes toward guarantee
-Green Slip puts everything over guarantee (but not at 200%)
-Green Slip also produces payback days if awarded on days off

Reserve examples:
- Unused pays 3:00 (over guarantee) plus 5:15 towards guarantee
- Unused GS pays 8:15 (over guarantee) plus 1-2 payback days if on a day off

- Two-day transcon pays 6:00 (over guarantee) plus 12:00 towards guarantee
- Two-day GS transcon pays 18:00 (over guarantee) plus 2-3 payback days if on days off


Payback day(s) eliminate the next reserve day(s) after the GS unless there are none left that month, in which case they're banked.
Banked payback days are worth (at a minimum) an additional vacation day or 4 hours. Usually they end up being worth about 7 hours each, WB categories can turn them into 15+ hours each.

Originally Posted by Race Bannon

A hybrid system like Delta would be beneficial. It triages the JS by importance. Can book 5 days out to go to work on a first come first serve, and something like 3 days for returning from work. personal travel is something like 2 days prior.
Straight check-in time doesn't protect the real intent of getting to work, ant pure seniority doesn't mitigate the pitfalls of not knowing you really have the JS until 15 prior.

So, instead of all or none, AA being check-in time and UAL straight seniority, the hybrid Delta style has my vote.

Originally Posted by horrido27

Need to repeat this again..
I have NEVER said our Reserve rules Don't SUCK. NEVER.
But you and others are kidding yourself if you don't think that everything has a cost.. and that we will be able to make our Reserve Rules so great that it's the envy of every pilot in the Galaxy!- and we can do that at "no cost".
Those of you who stated- Field Standby SUCKS! - Agreed.
And it was sold to us as something that would be rarely used.
Um.. nope.
Now it turns out, Delta will have it too. But with a different variable. Who knows what they got for giving that ability to the compmay- but it's something. Keep in mind, even Delta pilots will tell you that their reassignments prior to their new PWA were worse than ours. Sounds like American has it bad too.


And I will ask you-
Did you have a list (by sections) of what you required from a new UPA.. dating back to 2019? I did.
Has my list of needs/wants changed due to the industry changing and time moving on, yupe!
When the company came out and stated "We need to change the 10am 1st day reserve rule".. I disagreed. I didn't see a need to move it to 12 noon, or 1800.. just wasn't going to move it from where it was. Am I ok with it staying at 1000. Probably. Cause I know that if we moved it to where some of you want it- there will be a cost associated with it. If we moved to where the company wants it.. we would (hopefully) get a lot for it, but it's something I wouldn't be comfortable with cause I know that a 6am or 8am start time would be hard on Reserve commuters.

There is no doubt that there IS a Generational Difference. Some seem to want their cake AND eat it too.. NOW.
Others of us believed in a seniority system and that as you move up, you get a bit more.
Do we throw the younger pilots to the wolves (um.. management?!) NO. But we also expected that the younger pilots be a bit more grateful of being at a Major at their younger age. We can make gains for everyone. Gains at the middle and top will HELP every pilot here now. Gains at the Bottom, Middle and Top do not help those in the middle or top, But sure helps those not on property yet along with helping management solve their NarrowBody Captain problem.

When the AIP come outs, if there are serious deficiencies in the Reserve Rules.. voice that to your Reps and tell them to Vote NO on the AIP to TA..
If it does become a TA, I hope you have the integrity to go to a RoadShow and stand up and say "I'm Voting NO because..."

As you can tell from this Forum, FaceBook, Twitter and Union Meetings- I am not shy about voicing my opinion and am open to discussion. Hopefully more of you on this Forum will do the same at the Union meetings and RoadShows!

Originally Posted by serce

Can you give me an example of how screwing reserves improves the life of a line holder? So far, United has the worst reserve rules out of all the majors and most regionals and it's not like our line holder rules any better than our peers.

Originally Posted by Broncofan

I agree to a point. Seniority should be honored however some of the very senior guys take advantage of it by showing up to the gate 15 min prior and kick off a guy who has probably already gone down to the plane. I think you should be able to book the jumpseat and awarded in seniority order up until 24 hours prior. Then first come first serve.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

I agree I don’t see it changing…