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04-05-2023, 04:13 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 110
I absolutely don't believe the JS should be restricted based on what the travel is for. However, I would not be opposed to a time restriction, even if it is 1 hour, where the listing priority transitions from seniority to fcfs.
04-05-2023, 04:47 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 767/757 CA
Posts: 2,701
You believe the JS is specifically for getting to work? Yeah, I don’t agree with that, & I definitely would not want that limitation (or prioritization) codified in our policies.
As a mid-seniority guy, I lose as many as I win, & I never begrudge the senior guy who gets the seat. It’s pretty simple, IMO- seniority rules, but watch out for each other out there. If I’m the top guy & some junior or off line guy comes up to me & respectfully explains his sense of urgency for a particular flight, I’ll certainly take it under consideration. (I’ve deferred my priority when I felt the other guy’s situation was more important.) But if some entitled newbie wants to lecture me about why I’m taking his ride to work, guess who will be calling in sick that day?
As a mid-seniority guy, I lose as many as I win, & I never begrudge the senior guy who gets the seat. It’s pretty simple, IMO- seniority rules, but watch out for each other out there. If I’m the top guy & some junior or off line guy comes up to me & respectfully explains his sense of urgency for a particular flight, I’ll certainly take it under consideration. (I’ve deferred my priority when I felt the other guy’s situation was more important.) But if some entitled newbie wants to lecture me about why I’m taking his ride to work, guess who will be calling in sick that day?
04-05-2023, 04:56 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: 756 Left Side
Posts: 1,629
exactly… the JS is a privilege and not a right. It allows a pilot to get from A to B… doesn’t matter if it’s for vacation, going to dinner in another city, or getting to work. I had a guy the other day trying to pull the “get to work card” takes priority… he didn’t make the flight.
And while I understand why "some" people are upset that they can't get on or it's not guaranteed- Welcome to the real world!
Yes, should we have something like Delta has with regards to booking the jumpseat a few days out of your trip- sure.
And maybe/hopefully we can address that AFTER we get an ILC23. But right now, I and many other of us have bigger fish to fry~
See you all on the 19th in Chicago!
Motch
04-05-2023, 06:17 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,351
Sorry if I misunderstood. This is the quote I was replying to:
My inference was that you believe the JS is specifically intended for work commuting. Did I misread you?
At any rate, I’d say the JS is intended for pilot use at said pilot’s discretion & the pleasure of the captain. That’s not technically the same thing as “non-revenue”- which may be a semantic distinction but I wouldn’t, for example, take the JS over a cabin seat to get another non-rev on if there were a more junior pilot requesting it. (Pilot use.) While the JS can be a great tool for commuting to/from work, it is not specifically designated for that purpose.
At any rate, I’d say the JS is intended for pilot use at said pilot’s discretion & the pleasure of the captain. That’s not technically the same thing as “non-revenue”- which may be a semantic distinction but I wouldn’t, for example, take the JS over a cabin seat to get another non-rev on if there were a more junior pilot requesting it. (Pilot use.) While the JS can be a great tool for commuting to/from work, it is not specifically designated for that purpose.
04-12-2023, 04:23 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 11
Correct. I see a net total 24 new NB CA from this bid.
Gain of 36 that were not laterals or SUP, loss of 12 to downgrades, widebody CAs, etc.
I honestly don't know but how many new airplanes can that staff?
Also, not counting average of 7/ mo narrow body CA retirements this year.
Gain of 36 that were not laterals or SUP, loss of 12 to downgrades, widebody CAs, etc.
I honestly don't know but how many new airplanes can that staff?
Also, not counting average of 7/ mo narrow body CA retirements this year.
