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Old 04-04-2023, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dailyops
How the NC survived the recall wave is astounding. At this point, we might as well pull our proposal, survey, wait for AAs TA, file for mediation, and strike vote. It will add another 8-12 months to the process but we could actually end up with a contract that won't be a 50+1% yes vote as the current one seems to shaping up as.
Y'all. We can't pull our proposal, file for mediation, and expect the mediator to do anything other than laugh at us while shooing us back to the table.
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Old 04-04-2023, 04:30 PM
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Y'all. We can't pull our proposal, file for mediation, and expect the mediator to do anything other than laugh at us while shooing us back to the table.
We have pulled our proposals twice in the last few months once a new bar was set. If AA sets the bar even higher we can pull it again. Wasn't it BQ that said they wanted to let market conditions settle before continuing negotiations? Mediation usually ends with getting an industry standard contract, generally this is not what people want, but considering we are nowhere near industry standard it would actually be a significant gain for us if AA matches or exceeds Delta in compensation/QOL. I think a mediator would actually laugh at our current proposal for being so low, all it would take is sliding Delta/Spirit/Jetblue/Alaska current book across the table on scheduling provisions and reserve rules to show how far towards the bottom we really are.
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Old 04-04-2023, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dailyops
We have pulled our proposals twice in the last few months once a new bar was set. If AA sets the bar even higher we can pull it again. Wasn't it BQ that said they wanted to let market conditions settle before continuing negotiations? Mediation usually ends with getting an industry standard contract, generally this is not what people want, but considering we are nowhere near industry standard it would actually be a significant gain for us if AA matches or exceeds Delta in compensation/QOL. I think a mediator would actually laugh at our current proposal for being so low, all it would take is sliding Delta/Spirit/Jetblue/Alaska current book across the table on scheduling provisions and reserve rules to show how far towards the bottom we really are.
We could pull our proposal. We could file for mediation.

We'd look like morons if we did both at the same time.

Some of y'all really need to read up on the RLA.
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Old 04-05-2023, 12:23 PM
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I’m a SWA guy and haven’t seen your recent update. Any big picture info on items agreed to and what is still being worked?
Specifically wondering about rates and NEC amounts. I assume they are still pending?
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Old 04-05-2023, 12:38 PM
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Company proposed rates match Delta to the penny.
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Old 04-05-2023, 12:48 PM
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Company proposed rates match Delta to the penny.
What about that update was industry leading? JC
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Old 04-05-2023, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
Company proposed rates match Delta to the penny.
I assume that section is not agreed to yet? (Hopefully)
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Old 04-05-2023, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyTexas
I assume that section is not agreed to yet? (Hopefully)
it was in the paragraphs before the agreed/not sections. So, basically….listed as unacceptable, the way I read it.
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Old 04-05-2023, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyTexas
I assume that section is not agreed to yet? (Hopefully)
It is definitely NOT agreed to. The company is going to have to pay up.
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Old 04-05-2023, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyTexas
I assume that section is not agreed to yet? (Hopefully)
Pay rates and retro will be the last items closed.
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