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03-29-2023, 02:34 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 562
Obviously I disagree. The MC and others have communicated that a "substantial gulf" remains. Based on the March 27th NC update I do not feel there should be a "gulf" of any kind, and THAT is the issue. It is clear the current MEC believes we should get more, much more. I disagree and am saying as much publicly.
I am at the end of my career and fully expect to retire in the next 2-3 years, and fortunately I married a wonderfully successful wife so I don't need this deal. I just feel expectations of our leadership have gone too far because of recent events, and furthermore I genuinely believe pursing those expectations could cost the pilot group quite dearly if these negotiations drag on into next year or beyond.
I am at the end of my career and fully expect to retire in the next 2-3 years, and fortunately I married a wonderfully successful wife so I don't need this deal. I just feel expectations of our leadership have gone too far because of recent events, and furthermore I genuinely believe pursing those expectations could cost the pilot group quite dearly if these negotiations drag on into next year or beyond.
Those are just a few.
I'll wait to get it right. Talk to your reps again.
You ok with giving away that 5% LOA BS?? It was supposed to be completely Independent and the company isn't treating it as such.
These items are extremely important. I realize you are a short timer and want yours now. And by the way , we would get all this from the NMB.
03-29-2023, 02:38 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: EWR 777 FO
Posts: 187
It’s nice you have a successful wife and the burden of providing a nice life to your family is drastically mitigated. For those of us in the other camp that a 20% pay cut over the last 4 years 2 months is making us choose between saving for retirement and saving for our kids college we need to stand our ground. We finally need good contract! This is the worst contract I’ve worked under in my career including a 135 operator and a regional airline. I’m tired of having my days off regularly rolled. I’m tired of making less than my peers and having a worse qol and less time off. And I’m tired of this group being so weak and afraid to stand up for yourselves and this profession. Go grow a pair!
03-29-2023, 03:43 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 7
I understand your frustration/perspective with regards to the old guard. However, the old MEC is mostly gone. Let the process play out and don’t go against our own union. We aren’t independent contractors.
03-29-2023, 04:04 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
From the latest update:
So the current offer is
Delta pay rates + retro assuming that is what is meant by "addressing the delay since our amendable date" (not to mention that the Tumi turd had retro already in it)
+ improvements in training, vacation, short call, reassignments and they expect even more improvements in Section 5 & 20 as well.
Some here and on the other forum are prepared for a long game that will take years in their mind. My question is what further gains do people see that are worth waiting 2 more years? And, as a corollary what past precedent or logic makes people think a government mediator would agree to any demand above what Delta has?
Also, lurkers here should know that after conversing with my reps via email it is clear we are asking for substantially more. My opinion is we will not get it, not now and certainly not if we end up in front of a government mediator in 2 years. If you agree with me that matching Delta pay and getting gains in the areas listed is sufficient, I urge you to voice your opinion to your reps.
So the current offer is
Delta pay rates + retro assuming that is what is meant by "addressing the delay since our amendable date" (not to mention that the Tumi turd had retro already in it)
+ improvements in training, vacation, short call, reassignments and they expect even more improvements in Section 5 & 20 as well.
Some here and on the other forum are prepared for a long game that will take years in their mind. My question is what further gains do people see that are worth waiting 2 more years? And, as a corollary what past precedent or logic makes people think a government mediator would agree to any demand above what Delta has?
Also, lurkers here should know that after conversing with my reps via email it is clear we are asking for substantially more. My opinion is we will not get it, not now and certainly not if we end up in front of a government mediator in 2 years. If you agree with me that matching Delta pay and getting gains in the areas listed is sufficient, I urge you to voice your opinion to your reps.
This will be over very soon.
The one thing that never ever changes is the power and leverage of the negotiating committee comes directly from pilot unity.
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