Age 67
08-03-2023, 05:08 AM
#521
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08-03-2023, 09:06 AM
#523
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You are NEVER forced to work longer. You can retire whenever the eff you desire.
When the next black swan event results in 25% furloughs, loss of pension, bankruptcy, and 10-15 years to recover, you will appreciate an age 67 retirement opportunity. New hires now making more than I made in year 4, get no sympathy from me. Those hired before me that started over from nothing after PanAm, Eastern, Braniff, etc., and went through a strike in 1985 had it even worse.
Ask me how I know.
Age 67 is going to happen. Best come to grips with it and enjoy your career of choice.
When the next black swan event results in 25% furloughs, loss of pension, bankruptcy, and 10-15 years to recover, you will appreciate an age 67 retirement opportunity. New hires now making more than I made in year 4, get no sympathy from me. Those hired before me that started over from nothing after PanAm, Eastern, Braniff, etc., and went through a strike in 1985 had it even worse.
Ask me how I know.
Age 67 is going to happen. Best come to grips with it and enjoy your career of choice.
Also you're clearly a selfish prick so of course you won't.
08-03-2023, 09:14 AM
#524
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Joined APC: May 2022
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He understands the other side, cause he’s lived it. Accept this new reality and deal with it.
08-03-2023, 10:09 AM
#525
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You're just not going to even try to understand the other side of it are you? You want what you want, but at least acknowledge that we don't have to want it or agree with you.
Also you're clearly a selfish prick so of course you won't.
08-03-2023, 10:47 AM
#526
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We're all selfish pricks. That's the way the vast majority of people are wired, whether they acknowledge it or not.
08-03-2023, 11:34 AM
#529
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
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I said age 67 forces us to pick between 2 options. Option 1, achieve the seniority we expected before the rules got changed. That forces us to work longer. Option 2, retire at 65 and give up 2 years of seniority. Those are bad options for the people that don't have our personalities tied to this job.
Nothing forces you, or anyone else to work longer. Retiring doesn't "give up seniority." There is zero expectation of retaining seniority when you leave an airline: retirement is the end of seniority, regardless of whether you take an early retirement, get an extension from Congress, or the status quo remains. Seniority has no validity after retirement, so when you leave, whenever you leave, you're giving nothing up.
Your pay increases work on longevity, not seniority. You lose no pay.
The ONLY benefits of seniority are bidding choices, whether for seats, equipments, bases, or lines. None of that is relevant after you leave the company, so "giving it up" means nothing. You retire when you retire, at whatever seniority you hold, and that's it. It's gone. If you've stuck around to 65, unless you're a recent hire, then you have in most cases the seniority to get what you want; a few more or less in number makes little difference, and if you were planning to work until 65 and leave, then do it. There's no gun to your head.
As for choices, you can do whatever you want. Leave early. Leave between 65 and 67. Leave at 65. Stay beyond 67 as an instructor. Move to management. Have a taro sandwich. Write letters to your dead pet. Whatever floats your fancy. You're forced to do none of those things.
08-03-2023, 12:46 PM
#530
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 742
Which seniority-based legacy do you work for?
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