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Old 04-13-2023, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
Another management talking point. C2000 was the downfall of the company so make sure you don't ask for too much. Guess that lil' dilly is still making the rounds at Willis eh?

Nevermind that United faced 9/11, the Dot Com bust, SARs, and a little dust up in the desert. A little unknown secret management boy, it was the 10 worst years the INDUSTRY had seen.
THANK YOU!!

Case in point....

Let's say that WB crew now made $750 and $500. I'll even add in another $500 for the IRO since most are single augmented.

Each pax would only be paying EIGHT dollars per hour for the crew salary, based on an 80% load factor.

And IAHflyr implies that that would chock the golden goose??? YGBFKM
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Old 04-13-2023, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
Another management talking point. C2000 was the downfall of the company so make sure you don't ask for too much. Guess that lil' dilly is still making the rounds at Willis eh?

Nevermind that United faced 9/11, the Dot Com bust, SARs, and a little dust up in the desert. A little unknown secret management boy, it was the 10 worst years the INDUSTRY had seen.
The legacies had 50 pax flying in 767s on transcons back then. They had structural issues with revenue management and fleet deployment. Employee pay had little to do with it.
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Old 04-14-2023, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Yes, I vividly remember. 10+ of the worst years United has ever seen followed. Dubinsky choked the golden goose alright!

so contract 2000
not 9/11 not SARS not fuel crisis not banking and real estate collapse from 2000-2010 was the reason according to you ?

please stay away from any union position
we don’t need you to volunteer
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Old 04-14-2023, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
so contract 2000
not 9/11 not SARS not fuel crisis not banking and real estate collapse from 2000-2010 was the reason according to you ?

please stay away from any union position
we don’t need you to volunteer
Hey give iahflyer a break. He just wants to get back to the good times of tens of billions of dollars in stock buybacks.
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Old 04-14-2023, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Barley
Hey give iahflyer a break. He just wants to get back to the good times of tens of billions of dollars in stock buybacks.

oh I forgot that
thanks for mentioning it

to add to the fire , have you noticed they paid 5 billion down towards their debt?

folks
They say ALPA asks for 10.2 they offered 7.2 B
the truth is somewhere in between they offered 6 and we asked for 9 my opinion
so let’s call it the day with 8 ! What’s a billion for United ? 2 months of net income for now 2023

lets be real and let’s get this contract done .
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Old 04-14-2023, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
oh I forgot that
thanks for mentioning it

to add to the fire , have you noticed they paid 5 billion down towards their debt?

folks
They say ALPA asks for 10.2 they offered 7.2 B
the truth is somewhere in between they offered 6 and we asked for 9 my opinion
so let’s call it the day with 8 ! What’s a billion for United ? 2 months of net income for now 2023

lets be real and let’s get this contract done .
How about we get it done RIGHT (QOL) instead of expeditiously.

We’ve NEVER had so much leverage as we do now
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Old 04-14-2023, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
How about we get it done RIGHT (QOL) instead of expeditiously.

We’ve NEVER had so much leverage as we do now
maybe some people’s version of “right” is so rigid that its gonna keep us at current QOL for the foreseeable future, which seems shortsighted, while we try to achieve perfection (which is what exactly?). Just one guy, but give me outstanding pay, improve reserve and other hot items, make it clearly Delta plus, and let’s get it done.
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Old 04-14-2023, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
maybe some people’s version of “right” ...
No reason to fret. The MEC has done extensive polling and surveys so they know exactly what the pilots as a group want.
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Old 04-14-2023, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
How about we get it done RIGHT (QOL) instead of expeditiously.

We’ve NEVER had so much leverage as we do now



I agree and it will be eventually
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Old 04-14-2023, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
maybe some people’s version of “right” is so rigid that its gonna keep us at current QOL for the foreseeable future, which seems shortsighted, while we try to achieve perfection (which is what exactly?). Just one guy, but give me outstanding pay, improve reserve and other hot items, make it clearly Delta plus, and let’s get it done.
If Kirby and UAL make that choice they'll deserve the consequences. His vision doesn't work with that course. Kirby has hyped himself so much that hes BEGGING for us to call his bluff.
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