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Old 04-13-2023, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I don’t think management is really worried about this. United is hiring thousands and every month there are more people eligible to bid captain.

Whenever there is a new contract (I predict 2024), the seniority required to hold captain will increase. Therefore I predict some junior th pilots taking the plunge over the next few months in order to lock in their spot that they won’t be able to hold after the new contract.
^^this dude voted YES on TUMI^^

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Old 04-13-2023, 06:04 AM
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^^this dude voted YES on TUMI^^

take all comments with a healthy grain of management bias
Nope, no Tumi TA for me. I also won’t vote for a contract that matches DAL pay but doesn’t address the QOL shortcomings in our current contract.

I stand by my statements as factual without hopes and dreams of some mythical “leverage” some think we have.
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Old 04-13-2023, 07:23 AM
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Guess Delta copied Kirby's homework.

Delta posted a Q1 loss of 363M, with an 864M one time cost due to pilot CBA.
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
It's another empty threat. I don't think the company can afford to go to mediation.. that would mean hundreds more unfilled CA vacancies. There's no way they could absorb that.
There's absolutely a way they could absorb that. Nobody wants to go there right now, but if they have to slow/stop growing they will.

Leverage is great....even extremely effective leverage like staffing 'United Next', but always remember that your adversary ALWAYS has options.
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Old 04-13-2023, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by unstabilized
Guess Delta copied Kirby's homework.

Delta posted a Q1 loss of 363M, with an 864M one time cost due to pilot CBA.
Except for one little difference. Delta has a new CBA.
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Old 04-13-2023, 08:15 AM
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Accept for one little difference. Delta has a new CBA.
Yeah I find it funny we took a half a billion off our bottom line for a contract that doesn't yet exist. Accounting at its finest.
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Old 04-13-2023, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tesla S
Nope, no Tumi TA for me. I also won’t vote for a contract that matches DAL pay but doesn’t address the QOL shortcomings in our current contract.

I stand by my statements as factual without hopes and dreams of some mythical “leverage” some think we have.
I didn’t quote you as the YES voter. I am referring to iahflyr. He adamantly defended that dog turd and encouraged us all to pull the trigger for fear of a recession.
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Old 04-13-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I don’t think management is really worried about this. United is hiring thousands and every month there are more people eligible to bid captain.

Whenever there is a new contract (I predict 2024), the seniority required to hold captain will increase. Therefore I predict some junior th pilots taking the plunge over the next few months in order to lock in their spot that they won’t be able to hold after the new contract.
2024? C'mon.

Do you not remember the summer of 2000 and how that went?

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There's absolutely a way they could absorb that. Nobody wants to go there right now, but if they have to slow/stop growing they will.

Leverage is great....even extremely effective leverage like staffing 'United Next', but always remember that your adversary ALWAYS has options.
Do you not realize how much of an uprising there would be amongst the BOD and shareholders if they tried that?
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Old 04-13-2023, 06:46 PM
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Do you not remember the summer of 2000 and how that went?
Yes, I vividly remember. 10+ of the worst years United has ever seen followed. Dubinsky choked the golden goose alright!
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Yes, I vividly remember. 10+ of the worst years United has ever seen followed. Dubinsky choked the golden goose alright!
Another management talking point. C2000 was the downfall of the company so make sure you don't ask for too much. Guess that lil' dilly is still making the rounds at Willis eh?

Nevermind that United faced 9/11, the Dot Com bust, SARs, and a little dust up in the desert. A little unknown secret management boy, it was the 10 worst years the INDUSTRY had seen.
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