Anyone WN to UAL?
02-19-2023, 09:51 AM
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The new sim building will be done in December 2023. 12 more sim bays and the 2 new hire classrooms (week 1 and 2) will hold 150 EACH. Kirby asked the director of training if they could hire and train 150 pilots a week. We are hiring 2,600 pilots this year to bring on 100 planes. In 2024-2029 we bring on 130+ new planes each year so you can do your own math as to how many pilots we have to hire. Plus since at least 100 planes coming between 2024 and 2030 are 787s that’s also going to move people up the food chain faster. Anyone hired today could be at 50% on the seniority list in 10 years and sitting in the left seat of a 787 in 12-15 easy. A 2021 hire told me just with retirements and no growth he will be at the seniority to hold 777 CA in 11 years. That’s NO GROWTH and we cancel all our orders. With unfilled 756 CA slots on the west coast and unfilled 737 CA all over the system, it looks like 25,000 is possible by 2028 easy.
I don’t know what’s going on, but Kirby looks like he wants to crush all the other airlines. He even said in a Captain upgrade class that we would be so big in Denver (900 flights a day) that Southwest would probably COMPLETELY LEAVE Denver………
I don’t know what’s going on, but Kirby looks like he wants to crush all the other airlines. He even said in a Captain upgrade class that we would be so big in Denver (900 flights a day) that Southwest would probably COMPLETELY LEAVE Denver………
02-19-2023, 09:58 AM
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Kirby claimed he was gonna kick AA out of ORD when United was interviewing every Envoy pilot the could find..l now it’s SWA out of Denver and SWA guys are getting invites 30 days after they apply to United… those ridiculous statements give a clue to where UAL wants to steal pilots from.
02-19-2023, 10:32 AM
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We’ll know what Kirby’s plans really are in a few weeks once voting for the Delta TA is over. We’re currently expanding so fast that we can’t fill captain or WB FO vacancies, and the empty promises of an industry leading contract are quickly running out of steam. The company can either agree that the Delta TA is the new definition of industry leading and come to the table, or they can drag their feet, slow the expansion, postpone deliveries, and slow hiring to meet a sustainable level of growth where vacancies can be filled. The company isn’t going to sign a blank check and push it across the table, but they know that it will have to meet what’s in the Delta TA, without concessions at a minimum. Unless they provide significant incentives to upgrade or apply for instructor/LCA positions, the expansion plan is just a neat story.
02-19-2023, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley;[url=tel:3594566
3594566[/url]]We’ll know what Kirby’s plans really are in a few weeks once voting for the Delta TA is over. We’re currently expanding so fast that we can’t fill captain or WB FO vacancies, and the empty promises of an industry leading contract are quickly running out of steam. The company can either agree that the Delta TA is the new definition of industry leading and come to the table, or they can drag their feet, slow the expansion, postpone deliveries, and slow hiring to meet a sustainable level of growth where vacancies can be filled. The company isn’t going to sign a blank check and push it across the table, but they know that it will have to meet what’s in the Delta TA, without concessions at a minimum. Unless they provide significant incentives to upgrade or apply for instructor/LCA positions, the expansion plan is just a neat story.
02-19-2023, 11:27 AM
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Wonder if it will be a status quo violation if, after Apr 11.. some of us (and maybe the Union) start to tell pilots to apply and/or go to Delta?
no matter WHAT-
Fly Safe,
Fly Professionally, &
Fly the Contract
Motch
no matter WHAT-
Fly Safe,
Fly Professionally, &
Fly the Contract
Motch
02-19-2023, 11:42 AM
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honestly I don’t think the company would bat an eye. AA pilots and APA has been saying this for months and the classes are still being filled.
no matter how old our contract is….it is still better than nearly everyone else. I mean look at the latest thread about SW pilots applying, they are well aware of what’s going on here and they are still coming. Same with Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, these pilots aren’t ignorant.
Most of these individuals know we will get a contract soon and don’t see the struggle WE have been going through because to them the old contract is extremely temporary.
02-19-2023, 11:44 AM
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The new sim building will be done in December 2023. 12 more sim bays and the 2 new hire classrooms (week 1 and 2) will hold 150 EACH. Kirby asked the director of training if they could hire and train 150 pilots a week. We are hiring 2,600 pilots this year to bring on 100 planes. In 2024-2029 we bring on 130+ new planes each year so you can do your own math as to how many pilots we have to hire. Plus since at least 100 planes coming between 2024 and 2030 are 787s that’s also going to move people up the food chain faster. Anyone hired today could be at 50% on the seniority list in 10 years and sitting in the left seat of a 787 in 12-15 easy. A 2021 hire told me just with retirements and no growth he will be at the seniority to hold 777 CA in 11 years. That’s NO GROWTH and we cancel all our orders. With unfilled 756 CA slots on the west coast and unfilled 737 CA all over the system, it looks like 25,000 is possible by 2028 easy.
I don’t know what’s going on, but Kirby looks like he wants to crush all the other airlines. He even said in a Captain upgrade class that we would be so big in Denver (900 flights a day) that Southwest would probably COMPLETELY LEAVE Denver.
Anyone who is in Denver that wants to be based there and is flying for Southwest might want to think about coming to United. There is ZERO chance United doesn’t grow like crazy in Denver, especially wiht the hundreds of Pilot-Instructors and Evaluators we will have to hire plus the base expansion. If you’re under 45 its a no-brainer. Especially with 1 year upgrades everywhere.
Good luck!
I don’t know what’s going on, but Kirby looks like he wants to crush all the other airlines. He even said in a Captain upgrade class that we would be so big in Denver (900 flights a day) that Southwest would probably COMPLETELY LEAVE Denver.
Anyone who is in Denver that wants to be based there and is flying for Southwest might want to think about coming to United. There is ZERO chance United doesn’t grow like crazy in Denver, especially wiht the hundreds of Pilot-Instructors and Evaluators we will have to hire plus the base expansion. If you’re under 45 its a no-brainer. Especially with 1 year upgrades everywhere.
Good luck!
do you do any research? Read any trade publications?
Both Flight International and AW&ST have written articles about our orders, the Boom, the EV Taxis, SAP..
What management states as PR to/for Wall Str and the general public is usually a bit from the truth once real experts start looking into it.
Both funny and also a little sad how people post the Pie in the Sky outlook while standing on a pile of ****.
Look back to 5-8 years ago and the “vision” of having 16000, 18000, etc.. pilots by the end of the decade.[by 2020]
Our carrier has some amazing opportunities out there. But for some of them to happen, we FIRST need an Industry Leading Contract 23. After this weeks union announcement, we might not be as close as some of us thought.
we will know more within 6 weeks~
Choose wisely
Motch
PS) A newhire just told me the next winning lotto numbers.. how can I go wrong?
02-19-2023, 11:53 AM
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02-19-2023, 12:12 PM
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honestly I don’t think the company would bat an eye. AA pilots and APA has been saying this for months and the classes are still being filled.
no matter how old our contract is….it is still better than nearly everyone else. I mean look at the latest thread about SW pilots applying, they are well aware of what’s going on here and they are still coming. Same with Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, these pilots aren’t ignorant.
Most of these individuals know we will get a contract soon and don’t see the struggle WE have been going through because to them the old contract is extremely temporary.
no matter how old our contract is….it is still better than nearly everyone else. I mean look at the latest thread about SW pilots applying, they are well aware of what’s going on here and they are still coming. Same with Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, these pilots aren’t ignorant.
Most of these individuals know we will get a contract soon and don’t see the struggle WE have been going through because to them the old contract is extremely temporary.
How many decide to jump ship after getting here (so we have lost training capital in them)?
How many interview with both us and Delta and choose to go there?
What type of individual does choose to interview here..?
IF we don’t get a ILC23 by June, what does that say about the culture of our company? Will quality pilots want to try us or will they try Delta?
There ARE a lot of unknowns.. but let’s say we don’t have a ILC23 by the summer.
We will get through the summer. Have before, will again.
But
Hypothetically speaking-
If we still make 2 Billion in 3rd quarter. Great.
But would we have made 4 Billion IF we had been treated with Dignity & Respect?
What damage to both our public reputation and the relationship between Management/Pilots will have been done?
Only one person has the ability to make that decision.
Motch
02-19-2023, 12:21 PM
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Well, there may be some truth to that.. BUT-
How many decide to jump ship after getting here (so we have lost training capital in them)?
How many interview with both us and Delta and choose to go there?
What type of individual does choose to interview here..?
IF we don’t get a ILC23 by June, what does that say about the culture of our company? Will quality pilots want to try us or will they try Delta?
There ARE a lot of unknowns.. but let’s say we don’t have a ILC23 by the summer.
We will get through the summer. Have before, will again.
But
Hypothetically speaking-
If we still make 2 Billion in 3rd quarter. Great.
But would we have made 4 Billion IF we had been treated with Dignity & Respect?
What damage to both our public reputation and the relationship between Management/Pilots will have been done?
Only one person has the ability to make that decision.
Motch
How many decide to jump ship after getting here (so we have lost training capital in them)?
How many interview with both us and Delta and choose to go there?
What type of individual does choose to interview here..?
IF we don’t get a ILC23 by June, what does that say about the culture of our company? Will quality pilots want to try us or will they try Delta?
There ARE a lot of unknowns.. but let’s say we don’t have a ILC23 by the summer.
We will get through the summer. Have before, will again.
But
Hypothetically speaking-
If we still make 2 Billion in 3rd quarter. Great.
But would we have made 4 Billion IF we had been treated with Dignity & Respect?
What damage to both our public reputation and the relationship between Management/Pilots will have been done?
Only one person has the ability to make that decision.
Motch
however telling a pilot not to come here isn’t going to stop them…..
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