turbojet28

Thanks for the info. I should add that I would be giving up a top 50% seniority number, but would also go from commuting to driving to base if I were to make the jump.

Lumberg823

Take a look at the proposed DL payscale and assume UA will have that but even without the financial incentive to leave, commuting makes a great job just an ok job. You will more than make up the pay within a couple of years, and depending on the base, the QOL hit will be more than made up for almost immediately from not commuting.

BlueScholar

When I was at Indoc in the spring they said the goal is closer to 25,000. Now that's a goal so it's probably pie in the sky, and who knows what the economy will look like in a few years but the goal is 2,000 new hires a year for the next few years and probably ramping up even more when the new sim building is completed. Either way it's clear seniority movement is gonna be much better here for the next several years and it won't get close unless the economy crashes, or until the younger SWA demographic hits the mandatory retirement bar in what, 7 or 8 years?

I've had buddies go through Indoc at United, Delta and SWA. One of them had a lot of empty seats and a noticeable number of new hires bail while still in training, and it wasn't Delta or United. Everyone's situation is different and there's a lot of variables, but people are voting with their feet. I don't have anything against SWA, but that's what I'm advising my buddies in the process of making the leap and that seems to be the consensus I hear from others on and off APC.

FriendlyPilot

The new sim building will be done in December 2023. 12 more sim bays and the 2 new hire classrooms (week 1 and 2) will hold 150 EACH. Kirby asked the director of training if they could hire and train 150 pilots a week. We are hiring 2,600 pilots this year to bring on 100 planes. In 2024-2029 we bring on 130+ new planes each year so you can do your own math as to how many pilots we have to hire. Plus since at least 100 planes coming between 2024 and 2030 are 787s that’s also going to move people up the food chain faster. Anyone hired today could be at 50% on the seniority list in 10 years and sitting in the left seat of a 787 in 12-15 easy. A 2021 hire told me just with retirements and no growth he will be at the seniority to hold 777 CA in 11 years. That’s NO GROWTH and we cancel all our orders. With unfilled 756 CA slots on the west coast and unfilled 737 CA all over the system, it looks like 25,000 is possible by 2028 easy.

I don’t know what’s going on, but Kirby looks like he wants to crush all the other airlines. He even said in a Captain upgrade class that we would be so big in Denver (900 flights a day) that Southwest would probably COMPLETELY LEAVE Denver.

Anyone who is in Denver that wants to be based there and is flying for Southwest might want to think about coming to United. There is ZERO chance United doesn’t grow like crazy in Denver, especially wiht the hundreds of Pilot-Instructors and Evaluators we will have to hire plus the base expansion. If you’re under 45 its a no-brainer. Especially with 1 year upgrades everywhere.

Good luck!

Rangerover

When do the 321s actually show up on property, and have they said which base will staff them? Will they be replacing 319s? Currently 6 years at AS, with a United interview invite. Thank you.

threeighteen

This my friends, is what we call Kool-Aid.

Southwest is just gonna pack up and leave Denver.

OH YEAH.

BobbyLeeSwagger

mmmm tasty

Moonbeam

Is your side gig selling those Bored Ape NFT's to unsuspecting suckers? History shows these hiring booms rarely last long and are usually followed by long periods of little hiring. FAPA.aero has the hiring history for every major airline since 2000 if you need to check it out.

FriendlyPilot

They start showing up this year (2023Q4) and they are growth planes and eventually replacing 757-200s plus growth planes. They won’t likely be restricted to specific Airbus bases. Just like 757-300s can be flown by any 756 base.

FriendlyPilot

You could have bought a Bored Ape for $200 when it launched. Today they are $300k-$1.3M on Opensea.

United has 500 retirements a year (on average) for the next 10 years (That’s 5,000 pilots). Also we have 650 airplanes (100 787s) on FIRM order with 200 options (100 787s). We are replacing 400 RJs with mainline planes.

And when you say “History” no airline in the history of aviation has grown by 100 planes a year and United is doing it 5 years in a row. So we HAVE to hire pilots. This isn’t a traditional boom/bust cycle of an airline. SK has decided to completely change the game in his favor to win in the commercial airline world.

The great thing about what United is doing is that you don’t have to be at United to watch the growth and expansion. You can watch it from any airline.

I predict a lot of regret out there that people passed on United or waited a few years to apply, just like the people that didn’t buy Bored Ape Yacht Club NFTs as $200.