OGG nose dive...woah!
02-13-2023, 12:06 PM
#41
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I don't have proof. I can read though. How does the AC involved turn to ORD in less than 3 hours if all this stupid stuff was properly documented. Please explain to me how in the hell that happens?
02-13-2023, 12:40 PM
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The weather at departure was clearly ONE of the factors causing the situation. Maybe it was prudent to not return for a landing. If that’s the case….there aren’t a whole lot of alternate choices.
02-13-2023, 12:58 PM
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Highly doubtful that Hono, Kona, and Hilo were socked in all at the same time. I am pretty sure that all of those airports are suitable for the tripple. Someone can correct me if that is not correct.
02-13-2023, 01:01 PM
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A message from a friend:
Gusty takeoff, heavy rain, heavy plane, short runway, and at night. Used flaps 20.
At accel height, CA (PF) called for flaps 5. FO went through the gate and selected flaps 1. When climb rate dissipated, CA looked over to see the lever and unknowingly banked over as well. CA became disoriented and neither pilot noticed the dive until the GPWS warning. 2.7Gs at 775’ AGL to recover.
Gusty takeoff, heavy rain, heavy plane, short runway, and at night. Used flaps 20.
At accel height, CA (PF) called for flaps 5. FO went through the gate and selected flaps 1. When climb rate dissipated, CA looked over to see the lever and unknowingly banked over as well. CA became disoriented and neither pilot noticed the dive until the GPWS warning. 2.7Gs at 775’ AGL to recover.
Having done many heavy weight departures from OGG, it was always interesting to see the response by the FO when the flaps come from 20 to 5 . The scenario of missing the gate seems unlikely, since the aircraft made it to 2200, before descending, u less flap retraction was delayed until around 2000’
However, this has happened a couple times before;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-0367a2648c43/
02-13-2023, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nordhavn;[url=tel:3591406
3591406[/url]]I don't have proof. I can read though. How does the AC involved turn to ORD in less than 3 hours if all this stupid stuff was properly documented. Please explain to me how in the hell that happens?
inspections can take anywhere from an hour to days.
since no one seems to know what actually happened let’s not be so judgy
02-13-2023, 01:18 PM
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Exactly. Overspeed Inspections range from dropping the flaps to look for damage, to individual rivet checking, to a trip to the hanger for days. Depends entirely on exceedence amount which quite frankly Nordhaven you don’t know.
02-13-2023, 01:26 PM
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There are only a few people that know at this point. I already conceded that. Not turning back to a suitable airport somewhere on the island change shows intent to deceive. I wouldn't be surprised if the write-up was purposely vague/misleading to the actual facts.
02-13-2023, 01:27 PM
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I love flying airplanes and I've been told I'm not bad at it, but there's times to check the ego and use that multi-million dollar 2 letter button on the dash.
02-13-2023, 01:42 PM
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can your ass tell the difference between 2.5 and 2.7?
what’s your agenda here?
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