bkC130

The breakdown of the "25,000 hours between two pilots" would be instructive. I think the FO had very low total time.

hummingbear

Ah, and there we go with the diversity. Do you have some sort of inside knowledge that the incident in question was caused by a crew for whom hiring and/or training standards had been relaxed in favor of diversifying our flight decks? Because if you (like the rest of us) don’t know the details of this incident, or anything about the crew flying it, please ask yourself if there isn’t any political motivation in your eagerness to blame it on “diversity quotas”.

We’ve all seen over the past months that when we work together, we have the power to steer our union in a different direction if & when we conclude they are not representing our interests. But being part of a representative system also means accepting when your personal opinion is not echoed by the majority. “Solidarity until you disagree” is a perfect formula for an ineffective union. Whether you are digging up old tweets to interfere with an elective process, or whining about “wokeism” on TC, taking our internal affairs to the press weakens the representative process.

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ugleeual

don’t think the Captain was the problem on this one… probably the only reason that plane isn’t collecting corral. You have to make an effort to bypass the flaps 5 slot… this was a total **** up that compounded an already challenging flight at night and in the weather on a short runway departing over the ocean.

Nordhavn

The accident in question, no. How about Atlas Air nose diving into the bay? If you don't know the back story on the First Officer in question in this crash, please educate yourself. Nobody talks about it because it is politically incorrect but he was the cause of the accident. He had no business being a bus driver, let alone an airline pilot.

I was speaking in generalities in my earlier post. Diversity hires have and are going to kill people unless they are organic.

jdavk

Just out of curiosity, what airplane do you fly?

ThumbsUp

Not that it wasn’t challenging, but what makes you say it was at night? The scheduled departure was early (1435) afternoon.

hummingbear

Ok but you must see the problem with that argument. “Diversity may have had nothing to do with the incident in question, but said incident just helps to illustrate how dangerous diversity hiring can be.” Logically it’s a mess & illustrates why I don’t want some yahoo on an anti-woke crusade trying to make himself a mouthpiece for the pilot group. (While you may not have intended it, the TC letter definitely did connect this incident w/ SK’s “woke agenda”- so yes, it was political & not based in actual facts of the event.)

Look, I’m not saying diversifying hiring goals doesn’t raise concerns- it certainly does. I’m just saying not all methods of increasing diversity are necessarily unsafe. If you think airline hiring was 100% merit based back when 99% of us were white men, you’re delusional. (That’s what “organic” hiring got us, BTW.) So there must be ways to skew more towards a labor group that is a representative cross-section of the population while increasing overall performance. Is that always how things are being conducted at UAL? An open question worthy of consideration. But to just say “diversity is going to get people killed” every time there is an incident of questionable correlation is not productive.

BlueScholar

Yeah he lied on his resume and Atlas HR was too inept to do basic research and made a bad hire. Diversity has nothing to do with it, and had they done their due diligence I'm sure he would have been fired in training. What does diversity have to do with it? I find it interesting that you believe that hiring from diverse backgrounds only hurts, but you never stop to think about how it could provide a benefit. There's can literally only be 1 "best pilot" in the world, every other search is looking for QUALIFIED candidates.

Nordhavn

You hear/read what you want man. You have an agenda and it is clear.

How about the Atlas crash??? No thoughts??? I guess it didn't happen.

By organic I mean hiring different aviators from different backgrounds who are the best qualified. It doesn't matter if they are majority white males. It is obvious you only care about outcomes and are ok with the wreckage on the way to that outcome. Diversity, equity, and inclusion only applies to certain job titles I guess. Not too many women beating down the doors to dig ditches, fix the toilet, weld the pipe, or dig the coal out of the ground. Do you cheer lead for the protected class in these regards???