JohnBurke

Thanks. I was eating chocolate desert when I read that.

Smooth at FL450

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...sb-flaps-crew/

three1five

But you do have a nice coat of fur.

aeroengineer

Honest question and apologies if already asked. Would the CVR have been overwritten by the time they reached SFO?

rickair7777

Yes, not required to the NTSB.

Actually not necessarily required to the FAA either. They are the enforcers, you generally don't have to incriminate yourself. If you don't, they might find out later and then you could be subject to enforcement.

121 operators do have a self-disclosure arrangement with the FAA, where they can report stuff like this with minimal consequences with an eye towards identifying and fixing problems. Basically ASAP for airlines.

Whiskeyjet1

It’s not like there’s a G meter. With adrenaline kicking in I bet they felt it as much less.

Whiskeyjet1

No way. It’s not at all moderate turbulence. Objectively false. Look at your TAPS on WSI. 2.7 is .7 over the limit for flaps down. The plane can probably handle it fine, especially at lighter weight. But don’t ply it off as insignificant. 2.7 would be severe or greater turbulence.

UALFlyer

I have no doubt the jet needed inspections. I have no doubt that it was an over G requiring inspections. It's great that WSI says it would be severe or greater turbulence. The point you are missing is no one reported it from the passenger perspective. Why? Because it didn't feel all that abnormal, or abnormal enough for the overly sensitive media junkies to belly up to the proverbial bar and post crap on the internet. No screaming, hand wringing, foaming at the mouth. Have you been on a plane in moderate to severe turbulence? The passengers scream. Been through that twice, once as a pax. I've also pulled enough Gs over a lifetime to need regular chiropractic and message therapy on a regular basis. I've also pulled between 2 & 3 Gs enough to know it's VERY difficult to tell where you are in that 1 G range to know, and I had both a digital and mechanical G meter to reference.

There is a serious need to take a deep breath. And no the sky isn't falling.

Brickfire

I don’t see the turbulence analogy. This wasn’t driving over a rutted road at 40 (or 80 mph) it was likely one sudden but relatively smooth pitch up that pushed people into their seats and a slower de-pitch many seconds later.

UALFlyer

The turbulence analogy is the closest "similar event" available. And the reason it's pertinent is no one complained. The average passenger, and the typical airline pilot can't tell the difference between 1.5 or 2 Gs, or 2 to 3. I flew a plane for years that had two G meters in it, and I would routinely pull first, then look at the meter to see where I was as compared to where I wanted to be. Doing it on a regular basis I could not tell the difference between 1.5 to 2, or 2 to 3. And I had a digital readout to help. If someone who does acro type maneuvers in a plane on a regular basis can't tell, then I'm pretty sure most everyone else is in the same boat.

The amount of excitement over how many Gs were pulled is out of proportion to the fact that they found themselves in an Undesirable Aircraft State.

There are a few folks on here that are missing the point entirely.