Spesiellsporing

Finally.........

Spesiellsporing

Ah the independent contractor mentality. Let the company select the money flow to influence their desires vs a contract item to benefit the whole. Who comes out ahead in that scheme?

A little carve out here and a little carve out there. Ten years from now you'll wonder why your contract is in such a deep hole. Sound familiar people?

hummingbear

Well yes, you could do that, but why would you want to? I’d rather use the situation to negotiate money for the greatest number of pilots possible rather than the least.

It’s not about cherry picking. I’d love it if the NBCA issue translated into big gains for everyone, but the supply/demand matrix of the situation suggests there’s a little extra money available for one specific group so I say we grab it.

By your logic I could argue that fixing reserve rules is cherry picking a small group of pilots that will inordinately benefit from our negotiating capital, but that would be counterproductive. If the 80% revolts every time the 20% gets a benefit, no one ends up getting anything. We try to do the best we can for every group & the end result is a contract that is excellent for everyone.

hummingbear

Hypothetical: The company shows its hand & says there’s enough payroll for a 25% increase. Based on the upgrade situation, they’re willing to further incentivize NBCA, so they’re offering 35/25, take it or leave it. You can vote for one. 35/25 or straight 25. Which do you choose?

JTwift

When I started, my wife was adamant that I upgrade as soon as possible so we can pay off the house, etc (I don’t have 40 years left like some new hires).

After spending all last summer getting absolutely abused on reserve, she has zero interest in me upgrading so that I can actually have a schedule (I’m a commuter, by the way).

upgrading to Captain would be roughly $20k/month in pay. Right now I’m working about 85 hours, which is $13k-ish, But I can (somewhat) adjust trips, and have things be predictable. I can have a whole week off somewhere and have another week that just kinda sucks, but at least I have SOME say.

That’s the battle. Is there SOME amount of pay that would have my wife tell me to upgrade? Probably. But right now, having a schedule for our life is worth more than the 70k + hassle it’d be to upgrade.

also, I’m not sure it’ll hold, but I COULD also go to the 777 EWR and cut that $ differential down by a good chunk.


SO…./shrug

KSwift76

This makes sense. I live in DCA, can hold 756 CA, but choose not to because I'd be on the edge of reserve. However, I have the WB @ 100% in my standing bid because it pays enough for me to deal with reserve and is more of the type of flying I want to do. I imagine the company and union have all this data and may "target" the next contract to fix their lack of NB Captains.

All In

Speaking of carve outs.

Then just make it a 100k signing bonus to go from senior WBFO to NBCA.

AxlF16

I like this idea better -- you can't bid WB Captain until you've been a NB Captain for 1000 hours. Then give WB Captains an extra 25% raise to make it desirable enough to make the FOs want to be NB Captains so they can be WB Captains 😉.

Also need to make it contractual that Captains always have their names on the top of the hotel sign in sheets.