Profit Sharing?
01-19-2023, 08:36 AM
#81
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I’m sure some in TK liked it enough but plenty see themselves going back to the line sooner or later and the rest of the TA was what 94% of us agreed was trash. Plus I think most people don’t vote with a “me and only me” mindset. That said, even section 23 had WTF gives like 2 extra hours of reserve availability that make a difference when all the reserve is effectively short call.
Literally how in the world did we get presented with something that had concessions around every corner. Worth noting, read the red-line version of whatever we get next. Plenty didn’t make it to the PowerPoint highlights.
Literally how in the world did we get presented with something that had concessions around every corner. Worth noting, read the red-line version of whatever we get next. Plenty didn’t make it to the PowerPoint highlights.
01-19-2023, 08:43 AM
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Profit Sharing is contractual, voting rights are governed by ALPA. The process to change either is basically the same at the line pilot level though. Call your rep, go to a meeting, etc.
I don’t think there is some grand moral argument against newbies getting profit sharing, it’s just the way the program was designed. It’s not like you are really missing out all that much. You might not get a check this Feb, but your check will be bigger every Feb from here on out. Whether it balances out or not depends on UAL profits and how many are hired every year.
I don’t think there is some grand moral argument against newbies getting profit sharing, it’s just the way the program was designed. It’s not like you are really missing out all that much. You might not get a check this Feb, but your check will be bigger every Feb from here on out. Whether it balances out or not depends on UAL profits and how many are hired every year.
Thats based on the 2019 number corrected for 2022 pre-tax revenue. Based on a bigger employees force, it’ll be even less.
01-19-2023, 09:34 AM
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What would make them feel better is if they also got paid for their efforts, regardless of the amount. I hope no one here is thinking, we should cut out new hires because they'll diminish my piece of the pie."
01-19-2023, 09:44 AM
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maybe one of the most a-hole things I’ve ever heard a pilot say about other pilots.
01-19-2023, 09:51 AM
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If it's not contractual language, then its a wholly moot point. If someone hasn't been on property for the prior full year, they are not part of the profit sharing discussion for that year.
Should we expend negotiating capital to include this in the next contract?
01-19-2023, 10:05 AM
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Are feelings in the contract?
If it's not contractual language, then its a wholly moot point. If someone hasn't been on property for the prior full year, they are not part of the profit sharing discussion for that year. Do newly retired pilots who worked the preponderance of the year prior get a profit sharing check?
Should we expend negotiating capital to include this in the next contract?
If it's not contractual language, then its a wholly moot point. If someone hasn't been on property for the prior full year, they are not part of the profit sharing discussion for that year. Do newly retired pilots who worked the preponderance of the year prior get a profit sharing check?
Should we expend negotiating capital to include this in the next contract?
It is a negotiated benefit.
There is a price for it.
I URGE any pilot hired in 2022 that feels that they were minimized to submit a resolution to try and change it.
THAT is how a union works. Get enough pilots together and make a change.
Maybe you can also get some from 2019, 2018, etc.. who didn’t get a share to join you.
If we have 133 mil to divide up between 12000 pilots,
or
133 mil to divide up between 15000 pilots, (retirees and 2022 hires) there will be a difference.
You tell me how much of our negotiated money we have to give up to make you feel happy?!
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01-19-2023, 10:43 AM
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