Profit Sharing?
01-18-2023, 02:34 PM
#71
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LOL..
Thanks dude/dudette/something else…
I (and others, probably) needed a good laugh today.
We’ve got a whole thread on pilots excited to get their class date here, and over the past year have hired over 2000 pilots. If our “culture is crap”, guess that makes a lot of us garbage men and women!
Motch
https://youtu.be/JK0CL7bHbII
Thanks dude/dudette/something else…
I (and others, probably) needed a good laugh today.
We’ve got a whole thread on pilots excited to get their class date here, and over the past year have hired over 2000 pilots. If our “culture is crap”, guess that makes a lot of us garbage men and women!
Motch
https://youtu.be/JK0CL7bHbII
01-18-2023, 03:18 PM
#72
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It's amazing how many people on here and other United forums constantly advocate for worse benefits and QOL for the fellow pilots they work with just because "that's the way it's always been". They are truly of a different generational mindset and there's no point in trying to debate them or change their point of view. Luckily they will be outnumbered soon enough.
01-19-2023, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JayAitch;[url=tel:3573693
3573693[/url]]Okay, how about profit sharing be handled by number of days worked in the year. Regardless of years served.
I'm not a fan of pilots not voting until off probation, nor of them not getting profit sharing or any of the other rewards of working for this company. The gate they had to pass was getting hired and trained here. After that they're our peers. Full stop.
As someone who's been in this industry for several decades and seen far too much old guard rhetoric, I will say all it does it diminish new hires respect of us. And well deserved at that.
Fix reserve rules for those that come after us and for those below us in seniority. Fix voting rights, and fix profit sharing. Let's make this the place people want to work by showing everyone who comes that we value them as equals.
I'm not a fan of pilots not voting until off probation, nor of them not getting profit sharing or any of the other rewards of working for this company. The gate they had to pass was getting hired and trained here. After that they're our peers. Full stop.
As someone who's been in this industry for several decades and seen far too much old guard rhetoric, I will say all it does it diminish new hires respect of us. And well deserved at that.
Fix reserve rules for those that come after us and for those below us in seniority. Fix voting rights, and fix profit sharing. Let's make this the place people want to work by showing everyone who comes that we value them as equals.
2).The gate a pilot passes includes probation. Some have not passed that gate. It is there for a reason. You are not fully a peer till you pass that gate. Full Stop.
01-19-2023, 06:05 AM
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Profit sharing is a contractually negotiated item. 1). Last year’s profit will be distributed as the contract stipulates. It was voted on and agreed to, either by directly voting on the contract or acceptance of the job.
2).The gate a pilot passes includes probation. Some have not passed that gate. It is there for a reason. You are not fully a peer till you pass that gate. Full Stop.
2).The gate a pilot passes includes probation. Some have not passed that gate. It is there for a reason. You are not fully a peer till you pass that gate. Full Stop.
01-19-2023, 06:15 AM
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He’s right about the contract issue though. If you want to change profit sharing, voting rights, etc, then get enough people to pressure their reps and the MEC to instruct the negotiating committee to change the wording in future contracts.
01-19-2023, 06:40 AM
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I don’t think there is some grand moral argument against newbies getting profit sharing, it’s just the way the program was designed. It’s not like you are really missing out all that much. You might not get a check this Feb, but your check will be bigger every Feb from here on out. Whether it balances out or not depends on UAL profits and how many are hired every year.
01-19-2023, 07:29 AM
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If you don’t want to treat a probationary pilot as a full peer, then said pilot should not be obligated to listen to your stories of your boats, ex-wives, airplane hangar toys, and homes in Sanibel and Vail. “Well Mr. Kirby I don’t think this rule should apply to me. You see, he said I’m not a full peer, therefore I don’t have to be fully responsible.”
01-19-2023, 07:43 AM
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It's amazing how many people on here and other United forums constantly advocate for worse benefits and QOL for the fellow pilots they work with just because "that's the way it's always been". They are truly of a different generational mindset and there's no point in trying to debate them or change their point of view. Luckily they will be outnumbered soon enough.
01-19-2023, 08:04 AM
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I’m sure some in TK liked it enough but plenty see themselves going back to the line sooner or later and the rest of the TA was what 94% of us agreed was trash. Plus I think most people don’t vote with a “me and only me” mindset. That said, even section 23 had WTF gives like 2 extra hours of reserve availability that make a difference when all the reserve is effectively short call.
Literally how in the world did we get presented with something that had concessions around every corner. Worth noting, read the red-line version of whatever we get next. Plenty didn’t make it to the PowerPoint highlights.
Literally how in the world did we get presented with something that had concessions around every corner. Worth noting, read the red-line version of whatever we get next. Plenty didn’t make it to the PowerPoint highlights.
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