dmeg13021

if it sounded better to most people, they’d already be doing it and you wouldn’t be bombarded with CCS recruiting messages.

18 days of work, 13 days off. And don’t forget the 0400 show or 0230 end events in there.

Your own bed or not, WB FOs have already voted against working more for a little more pay. Find me a group of 777 PIs that can actually hold it but get paid less than the 737 PIs that hold CA?

There are many perks for local junior FOs taking a TK job. The relative advantage over line flying decreases with seniority under the current contract, and sharply at the 9 year point. That’s why the company was so willing to make a big adjustment to the cap. But let’s not assume that new hire widebody and 1-year CA are going to last forever. I’m confident our AIP language for TK will be suitable for retention.

Hedley

I was asking if the Delta language would be suitable for retention if it was adopted here.

Pinseekr9

Just a guess, but I don’t think the intent was to stay in the building. It’s a pretty good job when you have 15+ year PIs. If we were just replacing PIs that we’re moving on I don’t think there would really be a problem but with the push for hiring we need a ton.

unstabilized

I think the way Delta runs their pilot training is too apples or oranges to answer that.

dmeg13021

A 777 PI would make $44k less than a 737 PI. So I don’t think that would work.

ThumbsUp

But isn’t that the same disparity that a line pilot would have?

EwrRocks

Yeah, I’m having a hard time understanding their TA for Instructors other then they get paid what they can hold, no 9 yr cap. But In order to even consider this Delta position they would have to implement a vacancy bidding type system, which I don’t see happening.

Also can anyone explain this provision:

10 B. 13. c. (New) – Improved SLI Pay
- SLIs instructing pilots who are training on aircraft with the highest pay rate will received a
10% override
- 10% override is only applicable when an SLI is instructing
- An SLI must be able to have the seniority to hold the position they are instructing to receive
the override

ThumbsUp

Their system is entirely different, so you really can’t compare. It’s more like job share based on my read. Fly for some months, instruct for others. Get paid for the cat you fly and the position you instruct (which may be different).

Hedley

That’s kind of what I thought. Their contract has a bunch of terms that are different than ours, and I honestly don’t know how much of it works. It will be interesting to see what we end up with for our instructors and LCA’s. They don’t have enough votes to really alter the results of an election, but Kirby knows that if they’re not happy, a lack of retention and recruitment in the training department will tank the expansion. Hopefully we can finish the ALPA shuffle, elect a permanent MEC, and get this finished up.

NoDeskJob

My friend is a DL SLI.

if you are hired as an FO SLI, you get highest FO pay you can hold at current year. 350 has gone to new hires recently so….
so a 3 year FO on the 737 would get 3 year FO pay at A350 rate. He gets that wether he flys or instructs. It’s 85 hours for 17 sims. On line months you bid in pbs like normal.
we have had some retention issues too, cause with only a few years guys can go fly as line capts and kill it.

the new contract is 90 hours for 17 sims. And a 500$ override for PCP, and $1000 override for APD.
Also, if you are hired as an FO, but want to fly as a Capt on your 3-4 fly months, you can do it and make Capt pay on fly months (so 737 capt pay in example above).

that other but about 10% override is only for our top pay band SLIs. I get it. How else are they gonna financially try to lure a 350 dude when he already makes 350 pay