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01-13-2023, 08:06 AM
#32
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01-13-2023, 08:43 AM
#33
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FSB with pilot concurrence only. Allow the company to put serious premium on it - just like PP. I am sure people will scoop it up if FSB pays say 8 hours if unused and maybe 150% for the trip is used.
01-13-2023, 09:09 AM
#34
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How about we increase the MMG for SCR. Force the company to build separate lines for LCR, SCR and FSB. If LCR is converted to SCR, the MMG goes up to SCR MMG. Install hard limits on LCR to SCR conversions. MMG should be mid 80s for the credit.
If the company wants reserve coverage, have them pay for it.
If the company wants reserve coverage, have them pay for it.
01-13-2023, 09:41 AM
#35
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It is my understanding that at Delta it is much easier to reassign line holders to cover last minute disruptions, where doing that is harder at United due to our line holder protections. A friend at Southwest says that they don’t have FSB, but they’re all basically on reserve once they show up since the company can reassign at will, and often do. Since Jersey won’t answer my question, I’ll ask you. What solution do you think would be acceptable to both the company and the pilot group to cover what FSB currently does? I agree with others. The vast majority of the pilots are line holders and that is where we spend most of our career. Giving up line holder work rules to enhance reserve won’t get the pilot votes. Keeping or even improving our current rules while simultaneously rewriting reserve rules probably won’t get the company vote. Since it takes two sides coming to an agreement to get a contract, what is the solution? I see a possible solution that both sides would agree to would be keeping FSB, but put rules in place defining when it can be used, how frequently, possibly bid deliberately, and what the add pay would be. The company would find it acceptable because they still have the option, and those on reserve would see it as an improvement since there would be rules that limit involuntary assignments and provide additional pay when it is.
I understand I get a bit of flak about "always" grouping pilots into 3 categories.. LUAL, LCAL and Post Merger.
History needs to be communicated here.
Prior to UPA2012, LCAL (to my understanding) did not have any sort of FSB. But I do believe we had "looser" Reassignment rules. At the same time, this was also pre 117 and I also don't think we were doing the long haul flying like we are doing now.
So, as Hedley asked- What is a solution?
I agree that FSB sucks. But why does it suck? Is it cause of the way scheduling arbitrarily assigns it? Is it because it doesnt give Add Pay? Is it because (as Pilots), some don't want to work on Reserve?
This discussion has shown that some actually don't mind it, some HATE it, and others (many) are indifferent to it.
I understand WHY we have it, just expect to be compensated for it. You put on your uniform and have to sit at the airport for a few hours, ok.. but it should net you some Add Pay (1hr).
Our Long Haul, International WideBody Trips net the company boocoo bucks (look it up, younger generation! LOL). Having a pilot(s) sitting FSB is their form of insurance. OK. But FUPM>
As someone mentioned- Would love to see the stats on
Bases breakdown on FSB
Fleets
Seats
And then, usage.
Ironically, when I look at EWR today, I see 4 pilots (on what I assume are FSB's- 13P & 10P) One A320 crew, and one 737/Guppy! crew.
Again, we can argue the merits of those 4 slots- but maybe it's a good deal for them if they get used.. or maybe it's a bad deal if they get used. Either way, they SHOULD have gotten 1 hour of ADD Pay (in my opinion) and there NEEDS to be transparency on those assignments.
Also a bit strange as they AREN'T the International stuff I thought they would be scared of canceling and need protecting. Maybe they are more worried about the massive Narrow Body flying we have and they just feel those 2 times are strategic for those aircraft..
Maybe something else we NEED to have is set FSB times and therefore, everyone knows.., m-f at 10am there's always a FSB on the the 73Guppy~ etc..
Till ILC23, be well..
Always
Motch
01-13-2023, 10:32 AM
#36
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GREAT Post.
I understand I get a bit of flak about "always" grouping pilots into 3 categories.. LUAL, LCAL and Post Merger.
History needs to be communicated here.
Prior to UPA2012, LCAL (to my understanding) did not have any sort of FSB. But I do believe we had "looser" Reassignment rules.
I understand I get a bit of flak about "always" grouping pilots into 3 categories.. LUAL, LCAL and Post Merger.
History needs to be communicated here.
Prior to UPA2012, LCAL (to my understanding) did not have any sort of FSB. But I do believe we had "looser" Reassignment rules.
01-13-2023, 12:56 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
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Posts: 92
1 hr add pay for FSB didn't we just shoot that down in tumi TA. How about 5hr add pay and voluntary for SC and FSB maybe that'll get my vote. Line holder should get 5hr add pay for each leg reassigned until back on original schedule. Think bigger people.
01-13-2023, 04:48 PM
#38
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I can go either way with FSB IF it pays 5 hours min regardless of use. I get 3-4 unused FS now so sure 20 more hours of pay.
LC 18 hours ....Silo crap gone. No more 6 day blocks of RSV for NB we do not have 6 day trips. Global gone bye bye. 14 days off min
SC has to be picked up like Delta TA with 2 hours of add pay.
RSV can pick up PP why should only the top 10% @ UA eat at the table.
LC 18 hours ....Silo crap gone. No more 6 day blocks of RSV for NB we do not have 6 day trips. Global gone bye bye. 14 days off min
SC has to be picked up like Delta TA with 2 hours of add pay.
RSV can pick up PP why should only the top 10% @ UA eat at the table.
01-14-2023, 03:56 AM
#39
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I can go either way with FSB IF it pays 5 hours min regardless of use. I get 3-4 unused FS now so sure 20 more hours of pay.
LC 18 hours ....Silo crap gone. No more 6 day blocks of RSV for NB we do not have 6 day trips. Global gone bye bye. 14 days off min
SC has to be picked up like Delta TA with 2 hours of add pay.
RSV can pick up PP why should only the top 10% @ UA eat at the table.
LC 18 hours ....Silo crap gone. No more 6 day blocks of RSV for NB we do not have 6 day trips. Global gone bye bye. 14 days off min
SC has to be picked up like Delta TA with 2 hours of add pay.
RSV can pick up PP why should only the top 10% @ UA eat at the table.
01-15-2023, 07:02 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 27
This would be one of the most important items to me if I were a prospective new hire. A huge part of QOL is schedule flexibility and to have a beautiful bright light at the end of the reserve tunnel is final piece most of us would need in order to see UAL as the obvious no-brainer destination.
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