Phone Polling
01-04-2023, 09:13 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 1
And we've seen how accurate those polls have been with the 2016 election and the 2022 midterms...
This also isn't "are you voting for x or y?" We have so many different subgroups of pilots 600 just isn't enough.
Legacy CAL
Legacy UAL
Post Merger hires
Post Covid hires
Flight Instructors
LCAs
Commuters
Non commuters
Lifetime widebody FOs
One year 756 captains
etc etc etc
Although from what I've heard like what was just previously stated the questions being asked are so bad it doesn't seem like it will matter in the end.
This also isn't "are you voting for x or y?" We have so many different subgroups of pilots 600 just isn't enough.
Legacy CAL
Legacy UAL
Post Merger hires
Post Covid hires
Flight Instructors
LCAs
Commuters
Non commuters
Lifetime widebody FOs
One year 756 captains
etc etc etc
Although from what I've heard like what was just previously stated the questions being asked are so bad it doesn't seem like it will matter in the end.
01-04-2023, 02:07 PM
#12
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Posts: 963
01-04-2023, 02:59 PM
#13
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Posts: 311
I have to believe that the subs being made are the new first string O that will produce actual results. More importantly they represent an updated and accurate demand list from the current and future pilot group.
Patience is key. I’m giving it the benefit of doubt as painful as this process has been.
We have 6 months from 12Dec to progress or I’m pulling chocks for DAL. Nothing personal. Just business. I refuse to live with disfunction for 35 more years.
01-04-2023, 03:02 PM
#14
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…because the elected leaders that represent us are under performing and failing to deliver. The failure to even meet the low end of expectations is based on a completely out of touch NC and MEC leadership team.
I have to believe that the subs being made are the new first string O that will produce actual results. More importantly they represent an updated and accurate demand list from the current and future pilot group.
Patience is key. I’m giving it the benefit of doubt as painful as this process has been.
We have 6 months from 12Dec to progress or I’m pulling chocks for DAL. Nothing personal. Just business. I refuse to live with disfunction for 35 more years.
I have to believe that the subs being made are the new first string O that will produce actual results. More importantly they represent an updated and accurate demand list from the current and future pilot group.
Patience is key. I’m giving it the benefit of doubt as painful as this process has been.
We have 6 months from 12Dec to progress or I’m pulling chocks for DAL. Nothing personal. Just business. I refuse to live with disfunction for 35 more years.
worth a few thousand #s? No offense, but wow
01-04-2023, 03:23 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,321
Being unified against a giant turd like the Tumi TA is easy. Kind of like saying that 94% of us don’t want a kick in the junk. The problem is that our union is a hot mess. We’re too busy arguing which faction should be in charge that not much is actually getting done. Once we settle on leadership, hopefully we move forward. Sounds like Delta will probably have a TA to vote on soon and those that I’ve talked to think it will pass. If that happens, and if we get our house in order, hopefully we can use that as the absolute floor and build from there. I expect Delta+ as an absolute minimum, but those who think that the company will sign off on inflation adjusted contract 2,000 should expect to be disappointed.
01-04-2023, 04:24 PM
#16
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Joined APC: May 2022
Position: 756FO
Posts: 104
…because the elected leaders that represent us are under performing and failing to deliver. The failure to even meet the low end of expectations is based on a completely out of touch NC and MEC leadership team.
I have to believe that the subs being made are the new first string O that will produce actual results. More importantly they represent an updated and accurate demand list from the current and future pilot group.
Patience is key. I’m giving it the benefit of doubt as painful as this process has been.
We have 6 months from 12Dec to progress or I’m pulling chocks for DAL. Nothing personal. Just business. I refuse to live with disfunction for 35 more years.
I have to believe that the subs being made are the new first string O that will produce actual results. More importantly they represent an updated and accurate demand list from the current and future pilot group.
Patience is key. I’m giving it the benefit of doubt as painful as this process has been.
We have 6 months from 12Dec to progress or I’m pulling chocks for DAL. Nothing personal. Just business. I refuse to live with disfunction for 35 more years.
01-04-2023, 04:49 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 311
I may have lost a lot of faith but not all of it. 350 numbers won’t mean much over 30+ years. I think I can hold out. The CJO has year shelf life according to the hiring dept.
01-04-2023, 04:50 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Being unified against a giant turd like the Tumi TA is easy. Kind of like saying that 94% of us don’t want a kick in the junk. The problem is that our union is a hot mess. We’re too busy arguing which faction should be in charge that not much is actually getting done. Once we settle on leadership, hopefully we move forward. Sounds like Delta will probably have a TA to vote on soon and those that I’ve talked to think it will pass. If that happens, and if we get our house in order, hopefully we can use that as the absolute floor and build from there. I expect Delta+ as an absolute minimum, but those who think that the company will sign off on inflation adjusted contract 2,000 should expect to be disappointed.
I agree 99% with you
however
when there is a will there is a way
we Will pass whatever Delta gets and I hope AMR to pass us
we need a United front ASAP
i
01-04-2023, 07:23 PM
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With the volume both of us are hiring at... new hires better act fast. The only reason to leave imo is living in base or some deep sentimental connection- a current distaste for union politics is not a good reason to blow 1500+ numbers, but to each their own. All the usual suspects will be gone in 5 yrs 🤷🏼♂️
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