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Old 01-02-2023, 08:16 AM
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Delta CEO Ed Bastian announced yesterday that his profit goal for 2023 is $5 billion.

Yes, $5 billion.

So how much did the recent AIP with the Delta pilots affect profits?

Clearly this is why they came in with their exploding offer and sealed the deal.

These staggering profits put the United pilots in the drivers seat.

Everything the Delta pilots achieved plus much more.

It is critical that you match Delta’s profit sharing and add 5% above the Delta hourly pay rates.
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Delta CEO Ed Bastian announced yesterday that his profit goal for 2023 is $5 billion.

Yes, $5 billion.

So how much did the recent AIP with the Delta pilots affect profits?

Clearly this is why they came in with their exploding offer and sealed the deal.

These staggering profits put the United pilots in the drivers seat.

Everything the Delta pilots achieved plus much more.

It is critical that you match Delta’s profit sharing and add 5% above the Delta hourly pay rates.
The ask is going to be a lot higher than that. Not in the rates though buddy. We will match the rates but the rest will be hidden in other upgrades...Min guarantee 5:45, 22% DC, Vacation upgrades, PS. The hope for the me-too hop scotch is not being considered. Enjoy your AIP/TA as it is written.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Delta CEO Ed Bastian announced yesterday that his profit goal for 2023 is $5 billion.

Yes, $5 billion.

So how much did the recent AIP with the Delta pilots affect profits?

Clearly this is why they came in with their exploding offer and sealed the deal.

These staggering profits put the United pilots in the drivers seat.

Everything the Delta pilots achieved plus much more.

It is critical that you match Delta’s profit sharing and add 5% above the Delta hourly pay rates.
If you want the "me too" clause bump I suggest the Delta pilots start a letter writing campaign to the NMB. That's where the United pilots are eventually headed to in a year or so after all the excuses have played out.

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If you want the "me too" clause bumped I suggest the Delta pilots start a letter writing campaign to the NMB. That's where the United pilots are eventually headed to in a year or so after all the excuses have played out.
I couldn’t disagree more. Kirby needs a pilot contract in short order. Zero time for mediation.

Just my opinion. I very hopeful the United pilots achieve the epic contract you deserve.
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I couldn’t disagree more. Kirby needs a pilot contract in short order. Zero time for mediation.

Just my opinion. I very hopeful the United pilots achieve the epic contract you deserve.
My understanding is that the polling data, both prior to covid and since then, show that our emphasis is on work rules and QOL. If Delta pilots are hoping for a me too clause to give you a big pay bump, expect to be disappointed. We are seeking significant improvements in work rules, no scope creep, retirement, LTD, benefits, vacation pay, training pay, sick leave accrual, etc. These are expensive demands when looking at the total cost of a contract. We’ll probably match or possibly slightly exceed the Delta rates, but the emphasis is on QOL, not the hourly rate.
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My understanding is that the polling data, both prior to covid and since then, show that our emphasis is on work rules and QOL. If Delta pilots are hoping for a me too clause to give you a big pay bump, expect to be disappointed. We are seeking significant improvements in work rules, no scope creep, retirement, LTD, benefits, vacation pay, training pay, sick leave accrual, etc. These are expensive demands when looking at the total cost of a contract. We’ll probably match or possibly slightly exceed the Delta rates, but the emphasis is on QOL, not the hourly rate.
Yes, but uhhhhh......don't forget an improvement in reserve rules.
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My understanding is that the polling data, both prior to covid and since then, show that our emphasis is on work rules and QOL. If Delta pilots are hoping for a me too clause to give you a big pay bump, expect to be disappointed. We are seeking significant improvements in work rules, no scope creep, retirement, LTD, benefits, vacation pay, training pay, sick leave accrual, etc. These are expensive demands when looking at the total cost of a contract. We’ll probably match or possibly slightly exceed the Delta rates, but the emphasis is on QOL, not the hourly rate.
Should be both. Contractual improvements are a focus, but significant pay increases are a floor to entry. Anything less than inflation + 5% on DOS is a giveback of our pandemic LOA. If I’m not mistaken, that would result in a healthy snap-up for DAL pilots.

I’m also in the cautiously optimistic camp. A lot of this chaos is our own fault, & there’s more motivation for management to sign a deal than some here believe. We’re moving slowly- which is in part a result of the need to address our recent failures- but I don’t think we go to mediation. Contract by the summer is my bet for $1.
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“Delta to profit $5B” and “Ed Bastian’s goal is for Delta to profit $5B” are two different things. We shouldn’t settle for a subpar contract, also, a CEO repping his own company with an optimistic New Year’s resolution doesn’t actually change much.
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Originally Posted by three1five
“Delta to profit $5B” and “Ed Bastian’s goal is for Delta to profit $5B” are two different things. We shouldn’t settle for a subpar contract, also, a CEO repping his own company with an optimistic New Year’s resolution doesn’t actually change much.
Exactly. The OP’s thread title is misleading.
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Originally Posted by three1five
“Delta to profit $5B” and “Ed Bastian’s goal is for Delta to profit $5B” are two different things. We shouldn’t settle for a subpar contract, also, a CEO repping his own company with an optimistic New Year’s resolution doesn’t actually change much.
If Delta is expecting/projecting a 5B profit and United is coming off 2 of the best quarters in recent history, plus China opening back up plus bringing the 36 regional airframes back plus the NB deliveries IMO there is no reason we can't be in the same ballpark.
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