FAR121

Interesting tactic giving SK the ole “unofficial” vote of no confidence, especially at the picket line.

Even got picked up by media outllets.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/united-airlines-pilots-disrespect-ceo/

Spartacusbob

Spectator view-I’m a NH. So take the below with a grain of salt.

This is a really bad look for the union. Our lack of current contract stems directly from a two part recipe, an inept union and an approach to getting a new contract that drove a wait and see approach from management.

The wait and see approach from management is now totally justified given the advancement of negotiations handed to us by the DALPA clan. Especially if SK is serious about “industry leading”.

There is nothing but some surveys on what people want right now, nothing tangible to negotiate off of. We look dumb.

It looks childish.



This comes off as childish and isn’t scoring any points with me.

Tini

I totally agree. Kirby isn’t an enemy.

sleeves

It was really not smart for Scott to approach the picket line. No pilot is gonna want to be the guy in the picture shaking hands with the CEO. The guys showed up on a day off, what did he think was going to happen.

theKDEN

This is a terrible and childish look for us when the union is the one who so badly dropped the ball, didn’t do any polls, gave into what the company wanted (you can’t blame the company for actually NEGOTIATING) and then has the audacity to not even let the vote close trying to save face. Now all of the sudden we’re militantly opposed to the company when they wisely take a wait and see approach, even after SK says he’s glad that the bar has been set so we can move past this…but apparently we’re no better than petulant children.

majorpilot

Just mask up?

awax

Spot on. United pilots find themselves in this position because of ALPA. Specifically an MEC that lacked the SA to bury TA1 so deep that it would never see the light of day.

However, we are ALPA, all of us. ALPA is not “they”, it’s us. We need to get out house in order AND each of us must take ownership. That ownership is a hands-on responsibility that few have been willing to take. It’s not just committees, or elected representatives - but each union member must be an active, knowledgeable participant.

Together we must dictate how much secrecy we will tolerate from the MEC. There is benefit from having a board seat, and some info is covered by NDA. I accept that, but the outgoing MEC blew it.

Together we must dictate the quality, content, and frequency of MEC and LEC communications. I acknowledge broadcasting negotiating positions is counterproductive, but as a matter of process WE must demand better. How did we get to such a failure as TA1?

Together we must force change to the bylaws that recognizes that we’re a geographically diverse group. How many of us commute? There are structural benefits of order and dialog within the union hall. But it’s time to evolve. Unless we can improve participation, which improves awareness, nothing is likely to change.

With regards to the CEO, I’ve seen more than a few full that role and Kirby far and away is dedicated to running an airline. Imagine Smicesk or Tilton or any of the others navigating pandemic or recovery. In negotiations, both sides are expected to get the best deal. Is anyone surprised the company passed a lowball offer? What’s alarming is our union took that offer and passed it as the best we can do.

That’s on us, 100%.

We’re on the way to getting our house in order and I personally hope that honestly, integrity, and a resolve will play a part. To become “the biggest and best airline in the history of aviation” is only possible if we’re compensated as such.

We’ll get there with unity, participation, and resolve. Acting like angry insolent, frustrated children won’t do anything for the cause.

The company gets the labor union they deserve, just as labor will get the company they deserve.

crflyer

Exactly. And it continues to be an embarrassment as the union pulled what they offered to the company after Delta’s agreement came out. Still obviously, and embarrassingly short; but they blame the bad man. Yeah, we’re 4 years late but we’re here now and I agree with you 100%. We need it done and we need it light years ahead of where it was, but ALPA complaining after Tumi… ok

Grumble

The company negotiates at his direction.

To anyone saying this makes the pilots “look bad” we’re going on over four years with nothing but empty promises. Admittedly a lot of that failure lies with TI. Who it really looks bad to his share holders, creditors, lenders and Wall St. All people SK needs to have confidence in him to lead.

New guy, just sit back, watch, learn and listen to the old guys.

Do you know what was in that deal? No.

It was pulled so we dont interfere with DALs contract. We can’t keep going back and forth one upping each other in perpetuity without anyone actually securing any tangible gains. TAs and AIPs don’t pay real dollars.

Davedave

New hires are welcome. But before you start talking about the pilots of this airline being embarrassing, you ought to walk a mile in these shoes. It has been 1747 days since we started negotiations on March 1, 2018. Pilots have very few levers to pull IAW the RLA Section 6. Picketing is one of them. These are pilots on their days off traveling to, and standing or walking the line. Pilots are under no obligation to speak with management during these events. Management loves coming down with a case of water and getting a photo op while handing the “poor pilots” bottled water. The ORD CPO tried this 2 weeks ago when I was there in the picket line. The newspapers want that shot so we don’t give it to them. Instead we stay stoic.

Problems with that? You should volunteer for the SPSC. There may be some things the pilots who have been here a while haven’t thought of. As for me? I’m ready for an on time contract and/or full retro. Not a bottle of water from management. Talk is cheap.