jerryleber

Thank heavens the MEC pulled our last negotiation pass. Many of the our reps didn't even know what was in it so you can imagine how deficient it probably was.

The other surveys were leading and worthless as they were designed to allow the NC to do what they wanted not what the pilots want. We have time as DALPA finishes turning their AIP into a TA and then vote on it. We finally have the upper hand thanks to DALPA so let's get it right.

Phil Otis, the NC Chairman, is experienced and has no interest in making the mistakes of the rest of the NC has heretofore. The MEC is still being reconstituted and you need a majority and in some cases 2/3 to make some personnel changes and sometimes it isn't well advised to send everybody back to the line all at once or until you have qualified replacements that the MEC supports.

The wave of recalls, 94% no vote and DALPA saved our bacon. We are in an infinitely better position than we have been in a long time.

Lumberg823

We all kinda skip the part where our dumspter fire MEC and NC set the bar so low that the DL AIP is worse off because of our incompetence, they had to negotiate up from a surrender proposal from the UAL NC. We set the entire industry back, so yeah they can all go back to the line simultaneously.

Boeing Aviator

Yeah right! Kirby saying he’ll match the DAL AIP is like when he said the Tumi TA was industry leading. I guarantee you Kirby’s interpretation of matching the DAL AIP isn’t the same as ours!

Broncofan

I don’t understand the angst against Kirby. He is just doing what any CEO should do. The union is the ones who not only screwed us over with the TA getting to us when it should have been shot down. And when we finally did see it, any talk that was against the TA was harshly criticized with emails containing condescending verbage such as “a word the the no voters”. Implying there was no way anything better would come along and if we voted it down we were screwed. Finally when we voted it down, we received surveys essentially saying “well the pot hasn’t changed, how would you like us to divvy up the stuff inside”. They never apologized until recently which I actually appreciate. It goes to show how out of touch they were though. It finally looks like both sides see the reality of how much we are worth, so I’m optimistic about what we might see shortly.

Wink

I don't understand why everyone jumps to blame ALPA? They blame the union every time because of the "pot" or the "pie", but never condemns the company for changing that same pool of money once a company has offered gains past their pitiful offer? They always praise the company when things their way, and jump at the opportunity to condemn the uniom when they don't? There was no pie, and the company continues to take advantage of our lack of unity.

Just seems like really effective union busting to me. Sure, there are inefficiencies and people that shouldn't be in important positions, but blamimg the union for the company's shortcomings only works to break our solidarity and our resolve.

Jay1122

Because ALPA is supposed to be the one applying the money they steal from our paychecks to improve the quality of life of the professionals who fly the line, not simply lining their own pockets on FTFPL and schmoozing it up at fancy steak dinners in Chicago. I expect Kirby and management to try to take me for every last dollar and I expect nothing less. But when our own "union" chooses to become an accomplice to that process instead of a counterbalance then the blame falls squarely on them. The blame for this abortion is 100% on ALPA's head and their behavior has been beyond shameful and absolutely unforgivable. We need to stop wasting our time picketing the company, we should be picketing the "union". What an absolute bunch of ass clowns.

01110011

I was mostly mad at the union for TA1 but I’m getting increasingly mad at the company for losing the plot.

First, it was a concessionary contract. I mostly blame ALPA for accepting it but the company was still trying to twist the knife in a little.

Second, all the Kool-ade has been “We want to be the best, we want to have an industry leading contract, etc” Great, why didn’t we get an offer like Delta’s two months ago then?

Third, if they’re so worried about going first and getting leapfrogged all it takes is a snap up clause. Give us good QOL gains and a respectable raise with a snap up and then, voila, we can still be an industry leader. Or if they’re truly committed, put an offer on the table and then if someone leapfrogs significantly amend the contract early or give us what Delta/AA got through immediate LOA’s.

This wait and see game is just trying to figure out the absolute bare minimum they can get away with offering.

Snooter

Plenty of non-union corporate jobs out there. Maybe you should go check those out. tfg.

dmeg13021

Maybe our MEC shouldn’t have agreed to and sold us an offer that would have literally cost us hundreds of thousands EACH. There’s lots of management jobs out there, maybe you should check those out. Like the C57 S/T did.

Sometimes the union needs a little bashing.

Snooter

There’s a reason why it goes to a union vote and those reps are going through the recall process. Are there some that were self serving? Yes, are there plenty that are doing their jobs altruistically? Also yes. Chill out and let the process play out. We’ll get this contract done and pry the pay and bennies from management’s cold tight hands.