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12-04-2022, 12:27 PM
#101
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 311
How many union meetings have you been to? What dialog to have with your reps?
Everyone is new once, but you seem overly clueless about process. This isn’t criticism, but an observation. How plugged in are you to learning about process?
Posting on APC and expecting results don’t count.
Everyone is new once, but you seem overly clueless about process. This isn’t criticism, but an observation. How plugged in are you to learning about process?
Posting on APC and expecting results don’t count.
12-04-2022, 12:29 PM
#103
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 309
And yes, I’ve been an ALPA volunteer for over 15 years.
12-04-2022, 12:31 PM
#104
You look like a nail
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 451
You mean get involved in that political drama disaster? Not for me. The 2 meetings I have attended were useless. The frustration comes from lack of transparency. I get not negotiating in public…but at least a summary sheet. It got them in trouble before and I wouldn’t be surprised if history repeated itself.
A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?
Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?
12-04-2022, 12:40 PM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 311
Interesting, who exactly do you think “ALPA” is? For the animus and separation you’ve adopted, what do you think is owed to you, and by whom?
A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?
Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?
A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?
Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?
12-04-2022, 12:48 PM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 185
Interesting, who exactly do you think “ALPA” is? For the animus and separation you’ve adopted, what do you think is owed to you, and by whom?
A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?
Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?
A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?
Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?
come on man, really? Stereotyping someone who questions a union and you go there?
12-04-2022, 01:28 PM
#108
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
Your evaluation of the rail strike and its implications for us is quite flawed. There were a number of factors in play there that are not in our situation.
First, the rail strike would have effected a very large amount of the economy, and for many there are no other solutions for their freight. A major airline strike would not affect the same wide swath of the economy, and there are other ways to pick up the transportation slack left behind. This would reduce the political pressure considerably to impose a contract.
Second, pattern bargaining really hurt them here. I think it was 8? out of the 12 rail unions had already accepted the deal, establishing a “pattern” demonstrating that this contract is what the industry would support. Pattern bargaining worked in management’s favor here. In our case, there is not this same pattern or even really the same structure.
Third, Christmas shipping.
First, the rail strike would have effected a very large amount of the economy, and for many there are no other solutions for their freight. A major airline strike would not affect the same wide swath of the economy, and there are other ways to pick up the transportation slack left behind. This would reduce the political pressure considerably to impose a contract.
Second, pattern bargaining really hurt them here. I think it was 8? out of the 12 rail unions had already accepted the deal, establishing a “pattern” demonstrating that this contract is what the industry would support. Pattern bargaining worked in management’s favor here. In our case, there is not this same pattern or even really the same structure.
Third, Christmas shipping.
CLINTON INTERVENES TO HALT AIRLINE STRIKE
Just after midnight, the Allied Pilots Association said the two sides were still far apart on key issues and called for the strike to begin. "We're going on strike," said Wallace J. Pitts, a pilots union spokesman.
After hearing of Clinton's intervention to block the strike, Pitts said, "Tonight, history was made with the world's largest airline strike. History was also made in the deregulated era denying us the right to strike."
After hearing of Clinton's intervention to block the strike, Pitts said, "Tonight, history was made with the world's largest airline strike. History was also made in the deregulated era denying us the right to strike."
12-04-2022, 01:30 PM
#109
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 27
12-04-2022, 01:32 PM
#110
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 7
MC letter addresses this point….
MC Letter stated we will be adjusting our negotiating positions - the opportunity to agree to a subpar ask has been overcome I believe. “Waiting for the market” is a double edged sword. The company’s concern about agreeing to a deal that would not ratify (based on a subsequent agreement at another carrier) appear well-reasoned.
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