Delta AIP
12-04-2022, 09:01 AM
#91
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I am just shaking my head…. It seems like 90+% on here are so focused on pay rates. That is how dumb decisions happen!!! Take the shiny object, and not see the forest through the trees.
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
12-04-2022, 09:31 AM
#92
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 216
First no way our pay rates will end up 5% higher than Delta's so, yes, the percent for us will be less and MUST be because AGAIN . . . no way we end up 5% over Delta.
Imagine if you will we get a 13/5/5/5 offer with no concessions, minor QOL gains, and a bump in some non-tax areas. Then UAL pilots vote it down. Months pass and we approach a release date. The potential for a strike becomes front page news in all the media outlets. Just happened to the railway workers, and they got a contract imposed on them by Congress with one extra day off and a 24% raise. So you guys think we can turn down 34% in total raises and Congress will let us strike for more?
Personally I don't think that is remotely possible, and I pray to God most pilots realize that as well. Fortunately, I think they do and will go on record here taking a WAG that the Delta AIP will become a TA and will get voted in 70/30 or higher.
Imagine if you will we get a 13/5/5/5 offer with no concessions, minor QOL gains, and a bump in some non-tax areas. Then UAL pilots vote it down. Months pass and we approach a release date. The potential for a strike becomes front page news in all the media outlets. Just happened to the railway workers, and they got a contract imposed on them by Congress with one extra day off and a 24% raise. So you guys think we can turn down 34% in total raises and Congress will let us strike for more?
Personally I don't think that is remotely possible, and I pray to God most pilots realize that as well. Fortunately, I think they do and will go on record here taking a WAG that the Delta AIP will become a TA and will get voted in 70/30 or higher.
First, the rail strike would have effected a very large amount of the economy, and for many there are no other solutions for their freight. A major airline strike would not affect the same wide swath of the economy, and there are other ways to pick up the transportation slack left behind. This would reduce the political pressure considerably to impose a contract.
Second, pattern bargaining really hurt them here. I think it was 8? out of the 12 rail unions had already accepted the deal, establishing a “pattern” demonstrating that this contract is what the industry would support. Pattern bargaining worked in management’s favor here. In our case, there is not this same pattern or even really the same structure.
Third, Christmas shipping.
12-04-2022, 10:10 AM
#93
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,085
I am just shaking my head…. It seems like 90+% on here are so focused on pay rates. That is how dumb decisions happen!!! Take the shiny object, and not see the forest through the trees.
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
12-04-2022, 10:46 AM
#94
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Now this is a good example of what you’re capable of. Keep up this level of trolling, FADEC.
12-04-2022, 11:38 AM
#95
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 311
Is it possible to see what our MEC and NC are even asking for from management? Even if it’s ball park or vague on some of the details. There has to be a summary sheet somewhere out there. I feel like we are in the dark like TA1.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
12-04-2022, 11:51 AM
#96
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,360
Is it possible to see what our MEC and NC are even asking for from management? Even if it’s ball park or vague on some of the details. There has to be a summary sheet somewhere out there. I feel like we are in the dark like TA1.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
12-04-2022, 11:58 AM
#97
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,085
Is it possible to see what our MEC and NC are even asking for from management? Even if it’s ball park or vague on some of the details. There has to be a summary sheet somewhere out there. I feel like we are in the dark like TA1.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
12-04-2022, 12:06 PM
#99
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 451
Is it possible to see what our MEC and NC are even asking for from management? Even if it’s ball park or vague on some of the details. There has to be a summary sheet somewhere out there. I feel like we are in the dark like TA1.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
It’s safe to say the trust just isn’t there.
Everyone is new once, but you seem overly clueless about process. This isn’t criticism, but an observation. How plugged in are you to learning about process?
Posting on APC and expecting results don’t count.
12-04-2022, 12:23 PM
#100
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Posts: 119
I am just shaking my head…. It seems like 90+% on here are so focused on pay rates. That is how dumb decisions happen!!! Take the shiny object, and not see the forest through the trees.
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!
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