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12-11-2022, 08:07 PM
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The center fuel tank on the XLR's caused a delay in design. Not regular NEO's, but the XLR's.
Yes, the 787 was designed to replace the 767. But even the 787-10 really isn't big enough to carry what the 777-300's can do. It is close to a replacement for the 777-200's as currently configured. But also doesn't have the seating capacity of the A's. So close to a doable replacement, but not quite. If Boeing were to increase the weights on the 787-10, then maybe for the 200's. But then you are squeezing more people into a smaller box.
Yes, the 787 was designed to replace the 767. But even the 787-10 really isn't big enough to carry what the 777-300's can do. It is close to a replacement for the 777-200's as currently configured. But also doesn't have the seating capacity of the A's. So close to a doable replacement, but not quite. If Boeing were to increase the weights on the 787-10, then maybe for the 200's. But then you are squeezing more people into a smaller box.
12-12-2022, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly;[url=tel:3549040
3549040[/url]]We could certainly STILL pick up a bunch of USED 777-300s (to replace the old 772), then later transition the entire 777 fleet to A350s.
The 787 is not in the same category as the 777-300 or A350...
The 787 is not in the same category as the 777-300 or A350...
Originally Posted by Half wing;[url=tel:3549873
3549873[/url]]The 787-10 could easily fit more seats than our 364 seat cattle car 777’s. Max seating on it from Boeing is 440. We already put 318 in it and 2/3’s of the plane is business class and Polaris. The 787 is way more airplane than a 767. Look at the range difference. Let me see a 767 do LAX-SIN. 7772A/B’s can’t do that. 787 is a perfect match for our 777-200’s. The company said over and over the 777-9 is more airplane than we need. They have said we only need about 20 planes of that gauge. How many 777-300ER’s do we have again? The 797 was going to fit perfectly between the 757 and 767. An engineer in Boeing leaked the plans for the 3 797 variants on the 797 forum. All of those plans were scrubbed from internet after the second max crash. I managed to grab some pics of Boeings renderings before they took them down. The M.O.M. will be dominated by the 321 series now.
The 789 is the only variant that can do SFO-SIN, and it’s in no way a 772 replacement. The -10 is close.
Boeing has said unequivocally there will be nothing even resembling a new airplane the rest of this decade. They’re still trying to turn a profit on the 787 program and they’ll probably never dig themselves out of the losses the Max created. The last thing they have the ability to do is outlay a few dozen billion for another new airplane, more so one that their bean counters will screw up again.
12-12-2022, 09:37 AM
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From where?
787 was never designed to replace the 767. It was Boeings counter to the A380. Airbus thought the future was high density hub to hub, Boeing (correctly) forecasted a shift to long thin routes.
The 789 is the only variant that can do SFO-SIN, and it’s in no way a 772 replacement. The -10 is close.
Boeing has said unequivocally there will be nothing even resembling a new airplane the rest of this decade. They’re still trying to turn a profit on the 787 program and they’ll probably never dig themselves out of the losses the Max created. The last thing they have the ability to do is outlay a few dozen billion for another new airplane, more so one that their bean counters will screw up again.
787 was never designed to replace the 767. It was Boeings counter to the A380. Airbus thought the future was high density hub to hub, Boeing (correctly) forecasted a shift to long thin routes.
The 789 is the only variant that can do SFO-SIN, and it’s in no way a 772 replacement. The -10 is close.
Boeing has said unequivocally there will be nothing even resembling a new airplane the rest of this decade. They’re still trying to turn a profit on the 787 program and they’ll probably never dig themselves out of the losses the Max created. The last thing they have the ability to do is outlay a few dozen billion for another new airplane, more so one that their bean counters will screw up again.
12-12-2022, 09:43 AM
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From where?
787 was never designed to replace the 767. It was Boeings counter to the A380. Airbus thought the future was high density hub to hub, Boeing (correctly) forecasted a shift to long thin routes.
The 789 is the only variant that can do SFO-SIN, and it’s in no way a 772 replacement. The -10 is close.
Boeing has said unequivocally there will be nothing even resembling a new airplane the rest of this decade. They’re still trying to turn a profit on the 787 program and they’ll probably never dig themselves out of the losses the Max created. The last thing they have the ability to do is outlay a few dozen billion for another new airplane, more so one that their bean counters will screw up again.
787 was never designed to replace the 767. It was Boeings counter to the A380. Airbus thought the future was high density hub to hub, Boeing (correctly) forecasted a shift to long thin routes.
The 789 is the only variant that can do SFO-SIN, and it’s in no way a 772 replacement. The -10 is close.
Boeing has said unequivocally there will be nothing even resembling a new airplane the rest of this decade. They’re still trying to turn a profit on the 787 program and they’ll probably never dig themselves out of the losses the Max created. The last thing they have the ability to do is outlay a few dozen billion for another new airplane, more so one that their bean counters will screw up again.
They're making a 787-10 IGW version, Air New Zealand has been pushing for years. Makes the range ~same 777-200 with 42 more seats. Way better option long term.
https://leehamnews.com/2022/01/05/hotr-boeing-works-on-hgw-787-10-and-the-787-9/
12-12-2022, 12:40 PM
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It would seem, the 787-8 is pretty close to being a 76 replacement.
we will never see a “direct” replacement. But let’s be honest, there really is no way we are able to fly the 75/76 past this decade.
More issues will come up….
So, since it seems that the A321xlr/neo WILL be a 75 replacement expect a 78(ish) to be a 76 replacement.
This is why it is so important to have a UPA that takes this into consideration.
Will they try to fly a 78 from EWR to LHR with a crew of two?! Since it’s faster….
We need to look down range, not just what is 2ft in front of us~
just my opinion.
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we will never see a “direct” replacement. But let’s be honest, there really is no way we are able to fly the 75/76 past this decade.
More issues will come up….
So, since it seems that the A321xlr/neo WILL be a 75 replacement expect a 78(ish) to be a 76 replacement.
This is why it is so important to have a UPA that takes this into consideration.
Will they try to fly a 78 from EWR to LHR with a crew of two?! Since it’s faster….
We need to look down range, not just what is 2ft in front of us~
just my opinion.
always
Motch
12-12-2022, 01:59 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ks-2022-12-08/
A-321 NEO deliveries to UAL start June ‘23 and XLRs Second quarter of ‘24
A-321 NEO deliveries to UAL start June ‘23 and XLRs Second quarter of ‘24
12-12-2022, 03:26 PM
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Quite possible with the XLRs (although I certainly hope not). But I don't see how that will have any impact on the NEOs coming next year.
12-12-2022, 04:45 PM
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FWIW
Friend with an inside source a Boeing says:
XXXX USAF friends at Boeing saying;
Announcement is gonna be 50 firm 787’s with options for 120ish mix of more 787’s & 777X’s
🤞
“The new Boeing 777X will be the world’s largest and most efficient twin-engine jet…
Here’s to hoping it’s true!
Friend with an inside source a Boeing says:
XXXX USAF friends at Boeing saying;
Announcement is gonna be 50 firm 787’s with options for 120ish mix of more 787’s & 777X’s
🤞
“The new Boeing 777X will be the world’s largest and most efficient twin-engine jet…
Here’s to hoping it’s true!
Last edited by Boeing Aviator; 12-12-2022 at 05:16 PM.
12-12-2022, 06:04 PM
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