New MCO/TPA and LAS 737 Bases Annoucned
01-26-2023, 10:38 PM
#192
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3:12hrs or 3:20hrs, depending the amount of stops (MIA/MCO). With trains every hour or every 30 minutes. And multiple stations.This is amazing. It's a zero stress commuting.
Thanks.
Tangalanga
01-27-2023, 04:36 AM
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That vacancy bid closed 12/20, so everyone hired before then *could* have bid over, but the bottom of the LAS vacancy bid are October hires using it to break their WB seat lock. Many of those WB types will then bid out of LAS into wherever they want to be in the next bid or two. Once the dust settles there should be ample opportunity for new hires to bid over to LAS within their first 6 months.
01-27-2023, 05:06 AM
#194
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I would bet before then.
It is a strange set of rules with a new base, but basically anybody can bid in regardless of their training/bidding freeze for the first 6 months of bids to that new base. Once they are trained into that new position their old freeze goes away and they will now be on a 737 freeze. Once that new freeze is active they are free to lateral to any other 737 base.
So, as folks complete training onto the 737 for the LAS base (and MCO base) they will then be able to lateral out of LAS (or MCO) on the next vacancy bid if they desire. As they lateral out, new bids into LAS (and MCO) will be open. Since the new bases don't open until May, it will be a bit longer before any of the new pilots are done with training into the 737, but as soon as they are done, I would expect to see some lateral out and new openings be created.
We ususally have vacancy bids every month or two, so I am guessing that one that closes in April would prob be the time where we start seeing some more movement both in and out of LAS (and MCO). Since LAS went very junior on the original bid, I woud anticipate that we will see that trend continue. People with a training/bidding freeze will be able to bid to the new base for any vacancy bid effective before November 23, so you will still likely see folks taking advantage of that strategy to get out of freeze on equipment they didn't want as a new hire (IE commuters from Lincoln NE prob not interested in staying on the 777 out of SFO). But even with that, it would not surprise me if we have "unfilled" LAS 737 FO slots before the end of 2023.
MCO looks like it will take a little longer, but if we get a contract then they can start discussions about making TPA a co-terminal and that would expand the "MCO" base by about 50% which would make that much more junior as well.
It is a strange set of rules with a new base, but basically anybody can bid in regardless of their training/bidding freeze for the first 6 months of bids to that new base. Once they are trained into that new position their old freeze goes away and they will now be on a 737 freeze. Once that new freeze is active they are free to lateral to any other 737 base.
So, as folks complete training onto the 737 for the LAS base (and MCO base) they will then be able to lateral out of LAS (or MCO) on the next vacancy bid if they desire. As they lateral out, new bids into LAS (and MCO) will be open. Since the new bases don't open until May, it will be a bit longer before any of the new pilots are done with training into the 737, but as soon as they are done, I would expect to see some lateral out and new openings be created.
We ususally have vacancy bids every month or two, so I am guessing that one that closes in April would prob be the time where we start seeing some more movement both in and out of LAS (and MCO). Since LAS went very junior on the original bid, I woud anticipate that we will see that trend continue. People with a training/bidding freeze will be able to bid to the new base for any vacancy bid effective before November 23, so you will still likely see folks taking advantage of that strategy to get out of freeze on equipment they didn't want as a new hire (IE commuters from Lincoln NE prob not interested in staying on the 777 out of SFO). But even with that, it would not surprise me if we have "unfilled" LAS 737 FO slots before the end of 2023.
MCO looks like it will take a little longer, but if we get a contract then they can start discussions about making TPA a co-terminal and that would expand the "MCO" base by about 50% which would make that much more junior as well.
01-28-2023, 04:47 AM
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Hi!!
Is MCO junior on the FO side?
How do you girls and guys think that commuting to MCO can be from MIA or FLL? Many people from American I guess? Making it difficult to get a ride?
The 4 hour driving seams to be too much on a regular basis, cost and time wise, but an option as well. Using an electric vehicle might take one stop though, it's over 230m.
Thank you!!!
Tangalanga
Is MCO junior on the FO side?
How do you girls and guys think that commuting to MCO can be from MIA or FLL? Many people from American I guess? Making it difficult to get a ride?
The 4 hour driving seams to be too much on a regular basis, cost and time wise, but an option as well. Using an electric vehicle might take one stop though, it's over 230m.
Thank you!!!
Tangalanga
Around WPB, the Turnpike turns to just 4 lanes. An accident wipes it out, usually in both directions. The next thing that happens is everyone bails off to 95, which quickly slows down as well, and 95 doesn’t go to MCO, so that adds even more time.
What happens more frequently is there is a bad accident on 95, because everyone drives on it at absolute top speed, and then all the traffic piles on to the Turnpike, and it becomes a parking lot.
On a normal day, the Turnpike does ok, but it can quickly get overloaded without warning.
01-29-2023, 06:27 AM
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Off topic, but why it is impossible?
According to www.aBetterRoutePlanner.com, my electric car would drive Miami to MCO with one, 5 minute, charging stop and would arrive with a 26% state-of-charge.
According to www.aBetterRoutePlanner.com, my electric car would drive Miami to MCO with one, 5 minute, charging stop and would arrive with a 26% state-of-charge.
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