New MCO/TPA and LAS 737 Bases Annoucned
01-11-2023, 09:55 AM
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I heard a lot of the captains are just guys leaving freezes. They'll trade out ASAP with a bunch of 2nd year 737 captains from EWR who upgraded because they'd be commuting anyway. After the trade they're a 2nd year home based captain in MCO. Pretty good deal. Senior MCO FOs will have to wait. Losers.
01-12-2023, 04:30 AM
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Technically no one is leaving freezes.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
01-12-2023, 06:09 AM
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Technically no one is leaving freezes.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
01-12-2023, 03:42 PM
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Technically no one is leaving freezes.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
what the new categories bidding allows for is those with freezes that would otherwise be ineligible to bid on certain vacancies, the ability to do so.
for example a new hire on the 777/787 would normally not be able to bid down to the 737 while on a freeze, but could because of the new categories opening up. Hence why you see a lot of junior guppy fo slots filled by WB fo.
but once they go to training, they will incur a new freeze.
Question - if one takes a paid move due to the new base opening, does one incur a 24 month payback if he bids to another base? I know it states that in 10-B-1, but that is for Career Moves. I assume a move due to a new base opening does not count as a career move.
01-12-2023, 04:19 PM
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They could get out of their WB training freeze by bidding 737 in a new base, but wouldn’t the bidding freeze of 8-D-2 kick in? They bid down a pay band, so their freeze on the 737 would be 24 months rather than 36 since they’d all be changing bases. After training on the 737, their only option is to lateral to any 737 base, or upgrade on the 737 until the bidding freeze expires. No other bids would be allowed.
01-12-2023, 05:27 PM
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They could get out of their WB training freeze by bidding 737 in a new base, but wouldn’t the bidding freeze of 8-D-2 kick in? They bid down a pay band, so their freeze on the 737 would be 24 months rather than 36 since they’d all be changing bases. After training on the 737, their only option is to lateral to any 737 base, or upgrade on the 737 until the bidding freeze expires. No other bids would be allowed.
Per 8-D-1-e and 8-D-2-c, Pilots who have an 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze or 8-D-2 Bidding Freeze will not be
restricted from bidding into MCO or LAS. MCO and LAS will be considered new bases (and as such, contain
“new” categories) for six months past the initial opening effective date.
I thought that 8-D-2 doesn't apply to new categories, just like it doesn't apply to displacements.
Last edited by Andy; 01-12-2023 at 05:38 PM.
01-12-2023, 05:47 PM
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8-D-1 covers training freezes and the ability to move up in pay bands but not down or lateral during that freeze. 8-D-1-e says that everyone can bid on a new base, including those on training freezes. 8-D-2 covers bidding freezes, which are different than training freezes. From what I remember, this is one of the permanent changes that come from the pandemic LOA. Once that person bids down a pay band, wouldn’t 8-D-2 kick in? Since bidding a new base, they would by definition be changing bases and the bidding freeze would only be 24 months rather than 36 if it was done in the same base. Their only options will be lateral bids or upgrade on the same equipment. If I’m reading that wrong hopefully someone can set the record straight.
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