Road to TA2
11-14-2022, 09:53 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by OneplusF;[url=tel:3531983
3531983[/url]]The NC worked for years and came up with the Tumi TA. Now recalls are rightfully happening but we’re gonna end up starting over unless we want 2.0. We need a completely fresh look at the UPA.
Reserve sucks massively…unlimited SC conversions and the only major with hot reserve/FSB.
LTD sucks.
Vacation value sucks
Sick accrual sucks.
PRAP overages need to be in the paycheck.
It’s not gonna be quick unfortunately so getting released now when our (ALPA) house isn’t in order seems premature.
Reserve sucks massively…unlimited SC conversions and the only major with hot reserve/FSB.
LTD sucks.
Vacation value sucks
Sick accrual sucks.
PRAP overages need to be in the paycheck.
It’s not gonna be quick unfortunately so getting released now when our (ALPA) house isn’t in order seems premature.
11-15-2022, 01:48 AM
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The company updates talk about the new “improvements”, but it’s just undoing the bad changes from the Tumi TA, which put us right back where we currently are.
There have been emails from the new Union reps addressing this very thing, though. They’re aware it’s just moving the goalposts back where they were originally.
I still can’t vote, but I was quite happy with all the union rep recalls. That TA1 was bad.
11-15-2022, 03:12 AM
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the Tumi TA somehow made our reserve worse. 6am start vs 10am, etc.
The company updates talk about the new “improvements”, but it’s just undoing the bad changes from the Tumi TA, which put us right back where we currently are.
There have been emails from the new Union reps addressing this very thing, though. They’re aware it’s just moving the goalposts back where they were originally.
I still can’t vote, but I was quite happy with all the union rep recalls. That TA1 was bad.
The company updates talk about the new “improvements”, but it’s just undoing the bad changes from the Tumi TA, which put us right back where we currently are.
There have been emails from the new Union reps addressing this very thing, though. They’re aware it’s just moving the goalposts back where they were originally.
I still can’t vote, but I was quite happy with all the union rep recalls. That TA1 was bad.
The company framing getting rid of onerous TA1 concessions and framing it as a win for pilots is disingenuous, but the rumor going around that “all we did was get back to square one” doesn’t seem to be true unless his third point is just a straight up lie.
11-15-2022, 04:41 AM
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Eh point 3 of the Quigley message about the early 5% LOA implementation points otherwise.
The company framing getting rid of onerous TA1 concessions and framing it as a win for pilots is disingenuous, but the rumor going around that “all we did was get back to square one” doesn’t seem to be true unless his third point is just a straight up lie.
The company framing getting rid of onerous TA1 concessions and framing it as a win for pilots is disingenuous, but the rumor going around that “all we did was get back to square one” doesn’t seem to be true unless his third point is just a straight up lie.
11-15-2022, 06:34 AM
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The reserve "improvements" were not concrete changes to how reserve works at United with the exception of making Day 1 report EARLIER (concession). The changes in TA1 were to monetize certain pilot behaviors which would in theory increase everyones quality of life. AKA - some pilots define QOL by big paychecks and the contract provided avenues for reserves to get more but it did not concretely improve QOL to everyone. It was a contract based on gambling.
11-15-2022, 06:56 AM
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You might want to might want to uncross those every now as my guess is that it will be a while I would guess. With just off probation PIs and LCAs coming online with 3 years on property, the company is doing just fine under the current book. I just don't see them needing to do anything but what they are at the moment when they are getting all they need willingly from the group.
11-15-2022, 07:00 AM
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You might want to might want to uncross those every now as my guess is that it will be a while I would guess. With just off probation PIs and LCAs coming online with 3 years on property, the company is doing just fine under the current book. I just don't see them needing to do anything but what they are at the moment when they are getting all they need willingly from the group.
11-15-2022, 07:11 AM
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Not to mention a lot of senior PIs and LCAs that will leave if no TA2 in next 60-90 days.
11-15-2022, 07:16 AM
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