OneplusF

Current book rsv rules are got garbage. Worst amongst the big 3. Hot reserve is something most regionals have even done away with. Movable days off? GTFOH.

Fix reserve and be able to work less for the same money.

Zoomie

Can someone clarify what the details of these G-line changes are? I looked in PBS and I hate that the G-line info just has the employee number. Why not a % as well on that document?

I guess I'm confused when people are saying the changes will push FOs to upgrade to Captain.

I would think that this would have the "opposite" effect since now if they upgrade they would be on reserve even longer.

Did they move the G-line only for the FOs? Is that the difference?

Wilfortina

there are percentages on the left side on the first screen when you log in to pbs for your BES

Brickfire

Changing the G-line affects everyone, not just wanna-be junior lineholders.

Imagine you have 5600 hours to distribute to the 100 Dubuque 727 FE's.

If you set the G-line at #80, then 80 people get lines and 20 are on reserve.
If you set the G-line at #70, 10 people lose a line.
But wait, there's more

In the #80 scenario, the lineholders average 70 hours each (5600 hours / 80 people)
In the #70 scenario, the lineholders average 80 hours each (5600 hours / 70 people)

So moving the G-line up not only takes lines away from some people, it makes the remaining lineholders work more days.

The "g-line will make people upgrade theory" says that a reserve-heavy staffing plan makes life worse for senior FO's. In scenario 80, they could maybe bid down to 65 hours with 18 days off and either live a cush life or pick up a bunch of premium pay. Because only 20% of the BES is on reserve, it's likely some premium would have to be used. The senior lineholders, by virtue of seniority and a relatively sparse schedule, are positioned to scoop up that premium pay. In the low-lineholder, high reserve scenario the senior lineholders have to work more and there is less premium because of there being more reserves.

So .... the senior FO who previously was loving life with a cush schedule and opportunity to work more for $$$ is now getting worked hard. And therefore ... if I can't have QOL/control, I might as well have money so I will upgrade.

That's the theory anyway. And it doesn't have to be people upgrading at the first opportunity into reserve to make this work. There are lots of NB FO's who could upgrade straight into a line as a NB captain. But they'd be a junior lineholder.

hummingbear

Boy, that new domicile announcement sure turned out to be a dud.

horrido27

for the win…

sailingfun

Does the UAL contract have any restrictions or requirements on what lines need to average over a year or is it at the companies sole discretion for anything from 70 to 90?

TFAYD

sole discretion on line production averages and upper / lower limits.

and kind you, TUMI was taking it to 91 hours for the upper limit.

Zoomie

I guess I'm not buying this theory.

LPAs are roughly 80-82 hrs for Dec(just wagging looking at the numbers), so this hasn't pushed up lines extremely high. The floor for lines in Dec still appears to be in the range of 72-74 hrs, so senior bidders would still average 17-18 days off. For every senior bidder in this range there will be a lineholder with min days off and a 90 hr line.


This does cause more pilots to have "RSV" over more days on the holidays. So this ****es off the junior reserves and makes those FOs with a line normally who find themselves on reserves less likely to upgrade quicker.


The only people that I could see upgrading in this scenario are the junior reserves who decide that if they are going to be stuck on RSV as an FO, might as well be stuck on RSV as a CA.


In the scenario where you move the G-line up, people are less likely to pick up flying while on reserve or while on reserve, they aggressive pick up the less productive pairings since it's likely they won't break guarantee because there are so many reserves.


Obviously there are a lot of moving parts. I can only speak for myself, but a higher G-line for me only makes me delay upgrade to CA longer, since I want the ability to bid a line, bid reserve, have a lower line or have a higher line. This scenario makes it much more difficult to predict. IMO, when things are unpredictable, people tend to "stay where they are".

ThumbsUp

Another way of putting it is more reserves = less premium. It’s a pull for senior line holders, not junior ones. When you’re used to getting several PPUs per month and that vanishes, that may be the carrot to chase the money.