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What do you think costs more money, a fair pilot contract or delaying deliveries on aircraft while posting record travel numbers?

hummingbear

Exactly what they hope you’ll do.

PilotsAreDumb

Ah so we got them by the balls with training and deliveries? So SK is quaking in his boots and will deliver that true industry leading AIP right away.

jerryleber

A good example of binary, black and white thinking. As is usually the case the battle is on the margin.

At least United pilots now understand that they are in a fight. Hopefully, the recalls will be successful in ridding our MEC of these delusional reps who tried to sell concessions to the pilots in support of Insler's personal political aspirations and Kirby's United Next ambitions. That would strengthen our bargaining position enormously.

Kirby is a gambler with grand ambitions. He can manage without an agreement, but United Next depends on extraordinary training throughput that is unlikely without an agreement. Kirby can definitely ratchet his mainline growth plans back, but his regional feed is disappearing because of the pilot shortage. And, he realizes the pilot supply is a zero sum game.

Interesting times as usual.

RaginCajun

The CFOs have that worked out….probably at your expense.

hummingbear

Lot of naysayers on this thread. If the situation is really so dire, why didn’t you guys just vote for TUMI? (Or maybe you are the 6%.) You had a 14.5% (read: 9.5%) raise for the taking & just turned it down while the company apparently has no vested interest in finalizing an agreement? Anyway, this contract’s been overdue for three years- why now is it suddenly hopeless & doomed?

The reality is, both sides have some motivation to get this done, & both sides have some pressure points they can access to nudge the other- which is how negotiations happen. Neither side is backed into a corner, unless we allow ourselves to believe we have no bargaining power & need to accept whatever offer the company feels magnanimous enough to grace us with.

Chowdah

I think this is spot on.

EwrRocks

Was a hard NO on TA1, but that doesn’t mean that I feel the union has leverage or desire now to get a deal done in near term that both sides would fine acceptable.

As you said yourself, neither side is backed into a corner. Not sure what pressure points you think exist to get a deal done near term that both would agree too, especially considering the extremely high mandate that new reps will be voted in with.

If you think the company would agree to 30-40% raises, 5 MCD for every day of work, and full 4.5 year retro I don’t know what to tell you. If you think all of these new reps would ever vote for a TA with just 20% raise and 1 year retro I again don’t know what to tell you. More importantly is what leverage does either side have to get deal done that pushes the other off these lines? I just don’t see a near term solution for a deal, that’s all. I’m not mad, just realistic and I hope Im wrong.

I don’t regret or would I change my NO vote on TA1.

johnwick

Same circus, different monkeys.

hummingbear

And yet, in between these two straw man proposals you’ve presented is a vast expanse of territory wherein a mutually acceptable solution can potentially be found. It’s called negotiating.