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Old 09-22-2022, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot
I feel bad for the junior peeps. I’ve been here 15 years, 45% in the company, and even I’ve had enough of what the last year has done to NB flying.

For 20+ years mainline pilots have been begging for “mainline flying to come back in-house”. And now that it is…,no one is happy????
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Old 09-22-2022, 04:55 PM
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Not me , hate doing it . But bring back all the regional flying .

was on the bus here for 5 years , def shifting the flying a bit more towards what I did during the RJ days .

bring it .
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Old 09-22-2022, 05:04 PM
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the pay difference is much more at the lower end of the pay scale (like year 2 NBCA vs year 2 WBFO). I suspect a lot of year 2/3 CA upgrades for the money, then back down to WBFO after the 2 year lock.
This right here. I was debating on putting my name in the hat for 737 CA. Better to get paid more for sitting reserve vs dealing with global reserve on the WB fleet.
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Old 09-22-2022, 05:09 PM
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Increase the gap between WB FO and NB CA substantially. Improve narrow body work rules (LH+Reserve). Premium pay dries up at some point for all. Problem solved.
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Old 09-22-2022, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot
When you consider the international override WB pilots get, it’s a 13.7% difference in pay between WB FO and NB CA. That’s not that much considering the QOL difference.

If NB CA paid $400 an hour they wouldn’t have unfilled vacancies. I’d put up with the lifestyle if the money was that good. But it’s not, and I won’t. I go to TK for downgrade training next month.

I was a 737 CA for 4 years
Agreed. They should use the average total pay hours of the top 40% of WB DOs (gross to include all premium pay) and that should be the starting CA gross.
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Old 09-22-2022, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot
I feel bad for the junior peeps. I’ve been here 15 years, 45% in the company, and even I’ve had enough of what the last year has done to NB flying.
You’re joking right? When I came here in the mid 90’s those new guys would be doing the same flying but paying for their own training and making dirt for pay instead of making UAL wages. This is what we’ve been asking for since the RJ came on the scene. Instead of doing those 4 legs/day in an RJ, they’re doing it a major gaining seniority vs updating their apps and waiting 5-10 years for the phone to ring.
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Old 09-22-2022, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jumppilot
I feel bad for the junior peeps. I’ve been here 15 years, 45% in the company, and even I’ve had enough of what the last year has done to NB flying.
Don’t feel bad for us.

The worst NB trip here was something you’d fight over at the regionals. The hotels are better. The equipment is better. The support is better. The trips themselves, even when they’re bad, are still better. We’re on a mainline seniority list. We can actually occasionally get a drop or a trade approved. Once you get some decent seniority you can still cherry pick good trips. Plenty of things to fight for improvements in the new UPA but if you feel bad for the newbies you have no clue how bad things got at express.
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
the pay difference is much more at the lower end of the pay scale (like year 2 NBCA vs year 2 WBFO). I suspect a lot of year 2/3 CA upgrades for the money, then back down to WBFO after the 2 year lock.
I've heard this strategy from more than a few people... and by more than a few, I mean 4. Exactly 4 people. It seems like a legit way to go
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 01110011
Don’t feel bad for us.

The worst NB trip here was something you’d fight over at the regionals. The hotels are better. The equipment is better. The support is better. The trips themselves, even when they’re bad, are still better. We’re on a mainline seniority list. We can actually occasionally get a drop or a trade approved. Once you get some decent seniority you can still cherry pick good trips. Plenty of things to fight for improvements in the new UPA but if you feel bad for the newbies you have no clue how bad things got at express.
You have no idea how refreshing it is to have guys like you here.
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 01110011
Don’t feel bad for us.

The worst NB trip here was something you’d fight over at the regionals. The hotels are better. The equipment is better. The support is better. The trips themselves, even when they’re bad, are still better. We’re on a mainline seniority list. We can actually occasionally get a drop or a trade approved. Once you get some decent seniority you can still cherry pick good trips. Plenty of things to fight for improvements in the new UPA but if you feel bad for the newbies you have no clue how bad things got at express.

The “well it’s better than my regional” mentality is something I thought I’d left behind at the ULCC I came from
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