209 Unfilled Captain bids
10-03-2022, 01:19 PM
#181
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,808
There’s no paying your dues …. There’s just today and todays problems need real answers not excuses.
Seniority means you get first choice. It doesn’t mean that you get more for less work. The pilots today get to choose. And I see a huge shift in what the pilots want. They don’t want the NB pay and QOL and uncertainty this union at United is trying to hand over to them.
Equal pay for all captains will fix this.
Seniority means you get first choice. It doesn’t mean that you get more for less work. The pilots today get to choose. And I see a huge shift in what the pilots want. They don’t want the NB pay and QOL and uncertainty this union at United is trying to hand over to them.
Equal pay for all captains will fix this.
10-03-2022, 08:15 PM
#182
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 64
10-04-2022, 05:32 AM
#183
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: B777 Captain
Posts: 227
10-04-2022, 05:42 AM
#184
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Do flight attendants get paid based on the airplane they work on? No they don’t. The airplane takes off and it lands. A pilot is a pilot. And a airplane is a airplane. One rate for captain. One rate for flight officer. Simple.
Less training and easy. Makes everything easier.
Less training and easy. Makes everything easier.
10-04-2022, 05:56 AM
#185
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
Had pilots agreed to that in the DC3 days you would be making 80,000 a year. Once you uncouple yourself from the ability of the airframe to generate revenue nothing good happens. The airspace system in the US and Europe is near being maxed out. Future growth will be in the size and possibly speed of the airframes. As fleets get upsized pay raises come free without negotiating. It would be stupid to give that up.
I have been surprised by the sentiment I see on this forum from newer pilots, but perhaps I shouldn't be. It seems to me that more often than not the younger a person is the more they lean towards socialist ideals of spreading the peanut butter more evenly. Europe picked up on that idea long ago so we have clear evidence of what the result is, and I would not choose such a philosophy to drive decision making in business or government, BUT the future belongs to the young and if they want to go down that path then so be it. Maybe it's just part of getting old to see one's ideals supplanted. I'll be curious to read new ALPA contracts in 30 years or so whilst sitting in a nursing home watching reruns of M.A.S.H.
10-04-2022, 06:31 AM
#187
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 760
We had longevity base pay up until we negotiated contract 97 in 1998. We had lots of heated debates going to a differential pay system versus a longevity based system we had. Most of the scabs were the ones that wanted to retain a longevity based system. We could see in black-and-white the exact same contract that we negotiated had it been longevity-based versus differential based. The top rates went way down.
10-04-2022, 07:43 AM
#188
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
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I was a CAL 87 hire. Those C05 rates you posted makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth. I fought hard against that concessionary contract 05 and we almost voted it down, it passed by 56%.
We had longevity base pay up until we negotiated contract 97 in 1998. We had lots of heated debates going to a differential pay system versus a longevity based system we had. Most of the scabs were the ones that wanted to retain a longevity based system. We could see in black-and-white the exact same contract that we negotiated had it been longevity-based versus differential based. The top rates went way down.
We had longevity base pay up until we negotiated contract 97 in 1998. We had lots of heated debates going to a differential pay system versus a longevity based system we had. Most of the scabs were the ones that wanted to retain a longevity based system. We could see in black-and-white the exact same contract that we negotiated had it been longevity-based versus differential based. The top rates went way down.
One big difference between SNB domestic flying vs WB LH flying is the toll it takes on your body. Multiple time changes, circadian rhythm disruptions, back side of the clock... Domestic pilots ***** about doing one redeye a month, pretty much every WB long haul flight has one.
The definition of pain is coming back from overseas in broad daylight when your body is screaming that it's 0200 back home/body clock local time. I had some EWR crashpad roomies doing 75 Europe turns, and they always looked like ****.
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