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Old 09-28-2022, 05:38 PM
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Widebody pilots make more because a mistake potentially costs more. They're responsible for more lives. Narrow body pilots have less responsibility. Maintenance techs have even less. Maintenance techs make less than pilots because even though they sign their work they have far less responsibility and can't actually cause a hull loss. Their mistakes are cheap so they make less. It's simple economics.
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Old 09-28-2022, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Widebody pilots are pretty much better than narrowbody pilots at everything....that's why they get paid more. Better = more $$$.

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I didn’t realize this until I too became a widebody pilot. Even the stewardesses know this. Spot on Axl.

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Old 09-28-2022, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
Widebody pilots make more because a mistake potentially costs more. They're responsible for more lives. Narrow body pilots have less responsibility. Maintenance techs have even less. Maintenance techs make less than pilots because even though they sign their work they have far less responsibility and can't actually cause a hull loss. Their mistakes are cheap so they make less. It's simple economics.

MX techs can absolutely cause a hull loss, and their mistakes can absolutely be very expensive.


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Old 09-28-2022, 11:02 PM
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MX techs can absolutely cause a hull loss, and their mistakes can absolutely be very expensive.


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Old 09-29-2022, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fadec
Widebody pilots make more because a mistake potentially costs more. They're responsible for more lives. Narrow body pilots have less responsibility.
No, widebody pilots make more because we’ve historically negotiated our contracts to be that way. Period.

Every contract has to allocate payroll money to pilots as best it can, and thus involves trying to produce fair outcomes across fundamentally different types of work. Arguing that one one pilot is necessarily better or of greater value to the company is contrary to the point of union representation, in my opinion. We bargain for all pilots- not just the ones whose present roles make greater profits for the airline.

The single rate payscale is just a different approach to structuring pilot compensation than what we’ve done traditionally. I don’t hear a lot of guys at UPS clamoring to change that structure. Some really appreciate the flexibility to bid based solely on the type of flying they prefer without financial disincentives against certain operations. Understand, I’m not advocating we adopt that for ourselves; just pointing out that as a concept, it’s not inherently good or bad. But we certainly shouldn’t be making value judgements within our own ranks based on the arbitrary pay delineations of our current labor contract.
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Old 09-29-2022, 06:57 AM
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Some of y’all have never read “Flying the Line”. And it shows.
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Old 09-29-2022, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
TA2: “Pay raises must be applied equally!”

Pandemic LOA: “No way should pay cuts be applied equally!”
look at it in dollars vs hours it was much more equitable
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Old 09-29-2022, 09:15 AM
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I’m certain you don’t hold the same opinion of B-fund contributions.
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Old 09-29-2022, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
sunvox is doing his math as if they don't. that's the point.
You’re disappointing, even for a troll, and that’s saying something coming from me.
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Old 09-30-2022, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 756 Pilot
So you are saying that UPS pay system is BS?
UPS makes more money than any other company in the flying business.
The two tiered system would help to solve many of the United growth plans and compensate the pilots for the work they do and not for the work they did 27 years ago.
They don’t make their money flying airplanes. There is just a bit more to UPS.
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