AxlF16

Propose a resolution at your LC meeting and discuss there.

awax

You're talking about Seat Miles, not actual revenue. The company doesn't report the level of granularity that you're suggesting, so please feel free to share your source. The 10Q and 10K filings will break out revenue by region, so I suppose you could track block hours flown by by wide body and narrow body fleets in divide that into regional revenue. But then, you still haven't broken it out by fleet contributions.

But riddle me this, I flew an A model 777 from SFO to DEN, then DEN to ORD - both legs were packed to the gils, completely full. If you haven't been on an A model lately, that's 362 passenger seats x 2 legs = 724 passengers (in a single day! lol). So tell me, how much revenue did I generate?

Swakid8

Depends, Polaris doesn’t always sell out with full fare paying passengers (certain routes I am sure they do)…. Sometime they are premium economy who purchased an up grade during check in or used their plus points/or miles to upgrade. On top of that, sometimes non-revs get upgrades into Polaris on legs marketed and sold as Polaris….

Kinda hard to to determine rather WB bring in more revenue than a NB. It’s not cut and dry because pricing as a lot of variables to considered.

Swakid8

No one here (well those who track these figures would be able to), will be able to tell you how much without knowing the exact fares that each of your passengers paid on that particular flight…..

awax

I believe that’s what I just said, and to add; a simple city pair example doesn’t reflect contributions to the network. As a pilot group, we should at a minimum understand ASM, RSM, CASM, and RASM.

Swakid8

I wasn’t quoting you to dispute your point. I was just answering your last question of your post.

Sunvox

Doe’s anybody read anything these days? Yes the company does breakout information that allows one to calculate revenue per flight in rough terms and like I said before it’s a slam dunk for WB versus NB. That’s the whole reason they’re hung up on RASM and CASM.

EWR/MCO round trip 180 pas x 1000 miles x 2 = 360,000 ASMs
EWR/CDG one way 340 pas x 3800 miles x 1 = 1,292,000 ASMs.
Plus cargo revenues often equal or even exceed passenger revenue.


A single long haul WB flight can generate millions and THAT is why ALPA tied pay to aircraft weight for decades. Only since bankruptcy was that model exchanged for one of pay banding.

Swakid8

You are only looking ASMs…… You don’t have the complete picture to determine the RASMs. You still need the Revenue part of the equation which no one has unless you have access to data of actual revenue generated for each flight.

But yes, I would agree that a single long haul flight can pull down some serious money depending on seat layout, full fare/premium fare paying passengers/cargo.

Sunvox

How thick are you? Really. You think the RASM on EWR to MCO is higher than RASM to Paris or Tel Aviv? Do you want to pull up actual ticket prices to compare?? Please stop now before you embarrass yourself further. If you don't believe me next time you're at a company rah-rah meeting with a network guy ask him how much revenue one Hong Kong flight used to generate and then ask how much the highest NB flight was. Gimmee a friggin' break.

Here's the fact folks. WBs generate many many times the revenue of NBs and this is why ALPA tied pay to weight until the bankruptcy era. Companies would like nothing more than to pay pilots of a WB the same as a NB this would lower the cost as a percentage of ASMs. Unless you can convince airlines to raise the cost of NB pay as a percentage of revenue generated any talk of further pay banding is BAD for pilots.

Swakid8

I guess you missed this part of my post….

“But yes, I would agree that a single long haul flight can pull down some serious money depending on seat layout, full fare/premium fare paying passengers/cargo.”

But go ahead and call me thick…… Again, lots of variables to determine a particulars flight RASM. Data that no one here access to see.1

By all means, don’t take this as a stance for pay banding. I am just purely discussing RASMs.