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09-22-2022, 05:24 AM
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No idea, but with 8,000 more new hires coming in the next 3-4 years only the majors (United, Delta, American, Southwest) will have pilots. Most hires at the small carriers and regionals are only replacing pilots leaving for the 4 majors. The LCCs are going to be drained of pilots and that will limit their growth. Plus good luck buying planes for the next 5 years.
By the end of 2025 a pilot hired at United in 2021 will have 10,000 pilots junior to them.
By the end of 2025 a pilot hired at United in 2021 will have 10,000 pilots junior to them.
09-22-2022, 05:27 AM
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500 airplanes will be delivered, how many will be parked? The current fleet isn’t exactly comprised of spring chickens.
The economy is also taking a massive dump and we’ll be chin-deep in a recession by March of next year. New plane orders can be cancelled, deferred, old planes can be parked. Once this period of revenge travel passes, expect demand to plummet as people exhaust their Covid savings and suddenly realize how worthless their income has become in the last 16-18 months and they start to struggle with affording the basics.
The economy is also taking a massive dump and we’ll be chin-deep in a recession by March of next year. New plane orders can be cancelled, deferred, old planes can be parked. Once this period of revenge travel passes, expect demand to plummet as people exhaust their Covid savings and suddenly realize how worthless their income has become in the last 16-18 months and they start to struggle with affording the basics.
09-22-2022, 05:31 AM
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I think the reason that people are skeptical of hiring 8,000 in the next few years has nothing to do with United’s ability to train that many over the next four years. They’ve proven they can ramp up training. However, a few things have changed since hiring was initially ramped up. The market for pilots is extremely different than what it once was. The pool of qualified candidates is diminishing at a rapid clip. Every airline has a couple empty seats in class. Every airline has new hires from a different legacy in class. Going forward, it’s just going to be more difficult to max out training like was done in the past. And if another TA proposal that has little changes from the last one, that will only exacerbate the problem.
09-22-2022, 06:53 AM
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09-22-2022, 07:15 AM
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i wish there were a forum like button. Guppy gives me nightmares and I’ve been on it 10 years. Couldn’t imagine a full career in that retro jet.
09-22-2022, 07:45 AM
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09-22-2022, 07:50 AM
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09-22-2022, 08:47 AM
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Longer than at the legacies, but we have a single fleet type/pay scale….people don’t need to choose QOL over garbage rsv rules and commuting to the coast.
09-22-2022, 09:02 AM
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