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Old 09-21-2022, 07:23 AM
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No idea, but with 8,000 more new hires coming in the next 3-4 years only the majors (United, Delta, American, Southwest) will have pilots. Most hires at the small carriers and regionals are only replacing pilots leaving for the 4 majors. The LCCs are going to be drained of pilots and that will limit their growth. Plus good luck buying planes for the next 5 years.

By the end of 2025 a pilot hired at United in 2021 will have 10,000 pilots junior to them.
8,000 newhires rotflmfao put the crackpipe down
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8,000 newhires rotflmfao put the crackpipe down
They’ve hired 2000 in the last 12 months. 8000 in 4 years seems like a reasonable target. I’ll grant you it’s ambitious, and there are plenty of things that could go wrong, but it’s not quite “crack pipe” level crazy.
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They’ve hired 2000 in the last 12 months. 8000 in 4 years seems like a reasonable target. I’ll grant you it’s ambitious, and there are plenty of things that could go wrong, but it’s not quite “crack pipe” level crazy.
We’ve hired 3,000 since May 2021. On the current vacancy bid we have 249 unfilled CAPTAIN bids including DEN and ORD 737 as well as SFO 756.

8,000 is going to happen with 500 airplanes to be delivered in the next 5 years.
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
No idea, but with 8,000 more new hires coming in the next 3-4 years only the majors (United, Delta, American, Southwest) will have pilots. Most hires at the small carriers and regionals are only replacing pilots leaving for the 4 majors. The LCCs are going to be drained of pilots and that will limit their growth. Plus good luck buying planes for the next 5 years.

By the end of 2025 a pilot hired at United in 2021 will have 10,000 pilots junior to them.
Why would any pilot go to Southwest? Horrible cramped 1960s airplane and 14 year upgrade to a base no one wants?

Southwest is in the same boat as Frontier etc.
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:55 PM
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Why is this in the contract sub-forum?
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:32 PM
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Why is this in the contract sub-forum?
Because the training logjam is our leverage.
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Old 09-21-2022, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
We’ve hired 3,000 since May 2021. On the current vacancy bid we have 249 unfilled CAPTAIN bids including DEN and ORD 737 as well as SFO 756.

8,000 is going to happen with 500 airplanes to be delivered in the next 5 years.
500 airplanes will be delivered, how many will be parked? The current fleet isn’t exactly comprised of spring chickens.

The economy is also taking a massive dump and we’ll be chin-deep in a recession by March of next year. New plane orders can be cancelled, deferred, old planes can be parked. Once this period of revenge travel passes, expect demand to plummet as people exhaust their Covid savings and suddenly realize how worthless their income has become in the last 16-18 months and they start to struggle with affording the basics.
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
500 airplanes will be delivered, how many will be parked? The current fleet isn’t exactly comprised of spring chickens.

The economy is also taking a massive dump and we’ll be chin-deep in a recession by March of next year. New plane orders can be cancelled, deferred, old planes can be parked. Once this period of revenge travel passes, expect demand to plummet as people exhaust their Covid savings and suddenly realize how worthless their income has become in the last 16-18 months and they start to struggle with affording the basics.
yup - that is a real risk. I think they referred to it as fleet flexibility in some investor presentation a few years back. I think it was in the order of 250 planes that they would park over night if things go south. It is still somewhere on the IR site.
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Why is this in the contract sub-forum?
Good call 👍👍
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Originally Posted by threeighteen;[url=tel:3498432
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We’ve hired 1200 in the first 6 months of this year alone.
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