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Old 09-20-2022, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
I know exactly what happened, as well as the circumstances before and after with said LCA. Won’t post on a public forum.
If you're so "in the know" then why would you even post that first comment?

Did it add anything to the conversation other than "I can take a dump on one of our own publicly because I have the inside scoop, but I can't share the inside scoop..."

Disgusting.

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Old 09-20-2022, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
I agree with you but in that situation there is more to the story. I believe there is a lawsuit that she didn't recieve proper LCA training. A lot of finger pointing.

It also raises big questions with our TA1 ... we are doubling the number of instructors and check airman by throwing money at them. Are we going to keep that same level of instructor or check airman going forward? The instructors are already pulling down big money and the pool of good people that want to do that are doing it. I fear we are pulling in mediocre to bad instructors who are there for the paycheck. Could we be pulling in better people from other bases if you improve job share or month to month options or qol improvements? I don't know but the people that are good at that type of thing aren't very plentiful.
Im not sure which TA you were looking at but there was no money thrown at LCA’s on TA 1. Do you feel that the extra work, stress, and risk LCA’s are subject to should be a voluntary thing? That they LCA’s should subject themselves to all that out of a sense of duty to their fellow line pilots, free of compensation? They darn well should be offering a premium for LCA work, and they definitely didn’t.

I was shocked at the massive insulting kick in the guts TA1 was in regards to what they offered LCA’s. Especially after SK has repeatedly mentioned that they are going to fix the dismal override LCA’s are putting up with currently. If that was managements idea of a fix we are SOL.

I/E (PI) pay was off the charts good. I’m thinking MH being a career PI might have influenced that a bit. But the truth of the matter is, if people are taking a pay cut by being at TK they aren’t going to stay there except for a few core folks who have built their lives around the TK schedule. The PUP thing was a management attempt to slide in a stop gap and drastically reduce their costs at the training center. Within 5 years TK was going to be staffed by retired pilots making 1/3rd of what a PI makes now.

ANY LEC rep who voted yes on this TA must be recalled NOW!
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Old 09-20-2022, 08:27 AM
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Old 09-20-2022, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by detpilot
If you're so "in the know" then why would you even post that first comment?

Did it add anything to the conversation other than "I can take a dump on one of our own publicly because I have the inside scoop, but I can't share the inside scoop..."

Disgusting.

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If you knew WTF you were talking about you’d be embarrassed by your own sanctimony.
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Old 09-21-2022, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
If you knew WTF you were talking about you’d be embarrassed by your own sanctimony.
Actually, I do know "WTF" I'm talking about. And this:

"Never should’ve had it in the first place."

Served no purpose except to provide a segway for a self aggrandizing display of how "in the know" you are, at the expense of one of our own.

YOU should be embarrassed.

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Old 09-21-2022, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by detpilot;[url=tel:3498354
3498354]Actually, I do know "WTF" I'm talking about. And this:

"Never should’ve had it in the first place."

Served no purpose except to provide a segway for a self aggrandizing display of how "in the know" you are, at the expense of one of our own.

YOU should be embarrassed.

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So you’re totally read in on the tumultuous history and circumstances of hiring said instructor and the reckless actions that led to a hull loss and are ok with that. Got it.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hopp
The FO on the flight told me what happened, a few days later at the schoolhouse. He was a new hire, as I recall. The Check airman was new and described to me as a AAA pilot.

The narrative in the NTSB report differs substantially from what the FO told me.

Part of the reason for this was the stupid upset recovery technique being trained at the time.
He?

not sure you were talking to the correct pilot.
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Old 09-22-2022, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
So you’re totally read in on the tumultuous history and circumstances of hiring said instructor and the reckless actions that led to a hull loss and are ok with that. Got it.
Not what I said at all, you should improve your deflection skills. My issue is with your comments on a public forum about the situation. So I'll ask again, what did you add to the discussion that was worth publicly insulting one of our pilots?


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Vote to close the thread. It’s now a conversation about an unrelated incident.
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Vote to close the thread. It’s now a conversation about an unrelated incident.
Agreed, we can all agree/see that the MAX is not an appropriate vehicle in which to go muddin' and thank the heavens above that it was not "me" in that situation.
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