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07-03-2022, 09:00 PM
#72
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
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Ben-
For the record.....We sit in the same neighborhood of seniority, especially from the Pre-Merge Pedigree......That said, A LOT of the said concerns above have germane merit on this thread.
The voice's speak, and so does the decent of the current TA. To try and discourage/stifle any disaccord is as much of general dereliction as those who crafted/voted "YES" on this "turd".
You once sat in such an LEC IAH. If you can articulate the "YES" mentality as your LEC did, would LOVE to hear it. PLEASE do NOT attempt to quell any/all opinions of those who have the rightful to oppose this extremely subpar TA.......Anything otherwise in disingenuous on your part as a former leader in your current LEC, let alone example going forward during this pivotal time........Regards......Another Line Pilot..
For the record.....We sit in the same neighborhood of seniority, especially from the Pre-Merge Pedigree......That said, A LOT of the said concerns above have germane merit on this thread.
The voice's speak, and so does the decent of the current TA. To try and discourage/stifle any disaccord is as much of general dereliction as those who crafted/voted "YES" on this "turd".
You once sat in such an LEC IAH. If you can articulate the "YES" mentality as your LEC did, would LOVE to hear it. PLEASE do NOT attempt to quell any/all opinions of those who have the rightful to oppose this extremely subpar TA.......Anything otherwise in disingenuous on your part as a former leader in your current LEC, let alone example going forward during this pivotal time........Regards......Another Line Pilot..
Lotsa ground covered there. I’m in absolute disagreement with those whom voted yes at the MEC level. Haven’t spoken with either yet, so I haven’t grabbed my torches and pitchforks yet.
IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.
I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.
Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.
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07-04-2022, 12:03 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,085
Lotsa ground covered there. I’m in absolute disagreement with those whom voted yes at the MEC level. Haven’t spoken with either yet, so I haven’t grabbed my torches and pitchforks yet.
IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.
I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.
Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.
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IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.
I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.
Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.
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It seems that they tried to be data driven but got all myopic in the approach. For example they claimed that they looked at PDRs to guide the discussion. I bet that most PDRs are about the annoying operational drama and hardly about the big picture QoL issues.
of course polling could have fixed that but I guess they just knew what we wanted - not.
07-04-2022, 04:25 AM
#74
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Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 225
Lotsa ground covered there. I’m in absolute disagreement with those whom voted yes at the MEC level. Haven’t spoken with either yet, so I haven’t grabbed my torches and pitchforks yet.
IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.
I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.
Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.
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IMHO, the only way to make this right is a vast leadership change in order fix the obvious disconnect which has occurred. Sometimes, negotiators can get too close to the table, if you know what I mean, but I just haven’t seen anything from the LEC Reps or NC that leads me to believe and willful harm was intended. In any case, intent is currently irrelevant.
I understand the frustration, but just deem it more effective to replace and repair without negotiating in public. I also don’t feel the need for revenge; reprimand yes.
Also, most Pilots are middle of the road and reasonable folks. I’m not for this TA, but optics matter. The more b@tsh!T crazy we look, the better the sales job appears.
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07-04-2022, 07:30 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 124
This is such BS that has been pushed by ALPA because it provides them with more accountability. If the CEO of AA can legally announce his offer to the whole world, we can discuss this as much as we like. Don’t be bullied into thinking otherwise.
07-04-2022, 08:57 AM
#76
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
Bullied? Come on Man?
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07-04-2022, 10:13 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,171
UALPA appears to have become infested with seagulls who haven't flown a full year's line in more than a decade. It's time to STOP doing business the way that seagulls recommend because that obviously isn't working.
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