fadec

Okay, market solutions. Reserves get 15 days off. Line-holders get 15 days off. Allow the company to put a premium on extra days at bid time. Cost variability isn't bad if it's associated with schedule variability.

bottoms up

Don’t forget This was crafted this back in 2018/2019 pre Covid. Look at the list of Company wants…They darn well complied with most things the company wanted. For pennies! We were sold out. The ones sitting up in the MEC and NC have not and do not have our best interests.

This was the “Right Contract for the Right Time”? Something that was asked for pre Covid, pre inflation. Back when everything was “GME to the moon and NFTs” the company wanted this. It wasn’t because of Covid or the doom & gloom economy. No it was a sell out from the top and the must resign or be recalled!

Andy

Pay more and they'll get more bodies.
Overwork people and decrease QOL and they'll get less bodies.
If there aren't enough bodies to fully staff the flights then it's time to cut back on flights and charge more money to the customers. Given the amount of passenger traffic this summer, it's clear that ticket prices are too low.

But these aren't my problems to solve. FUPM.

awax

That’s hilarious.

With all the teeth clinching and recall talk, it’ll be a year before we have a functional MEC, then, we’ll see how willing the company is to negotiate.

If we’re even close before 2024 it’ll be a miracle. Don’t worry about sending anything to the union, I think they know to poll us now.

Excargodog

If this TA is indicative of the value of that “institutional knowledge” it would seem like little loss to do without both it and them.

Chowdah

Obviously there is a benefit to being hard nosed and going for the kill… But I’m sure you could imagine that most of us would understand if we demanded four-day trips with late shows, early releases, worth 25 hours that have long layovers… That’s probably not going to happen, albeit for the top 10%. In other words, somethings Gotta give in that equation

In the same way if we are enjoying a growing, profitable airline that is expanding its footprint across the world and has growth opportunity for the pilots as well as plenty of premium pay… is it gonna be hard to keep having the leverage we have if pilot supply was keeping up with demand. The reason we are here at this inflection point, is because there are not enough bodies in the system. That will likely change in the next 10 years, but I would take Delta and their morale has a great learning lesson. They have a good contract, make a lot of money, but are a stagnant airline that is not growing, and puts a higher premium on their margins, then their marketshare.

If you look at our ticket prices right now, I don’t think the yield and generating money is an issue. But if we really want to restrict their ability to grow (through lower reserve and line pilot utilization), which of course is an option, I think that may have some negative effects for us as well. I don’t know the right answer, but I would be careful just throwing out road-blocks to the company, and saying it’s not our problem. “Hurdles” are one thing, such as where they allocate their profits and directing more of it to our pockets, but “roadblocks” that are actual preventative measures on growth, are another

cal73

The CRJ550 scope provision was insulting. That's an airplane the company cooked up to get around our EXISTING scope clause. It has issues and they want UAL pilots to pay for the fix? Good lord that's rich. GTFO!! I was "HELL NO" when I read that alone.

Aquaticus

The only way to respond to this and gain more leverage is a big turnout 90% or better and a 90% or better NO. We will show Kirby we can be unified. By recalling the pro-management officers and replacing with more militant, fresh people... the next TA is going to be under a lot more scrutiny to get to member ratification.

If we limp across the line with 60/40 NO we will have shown that we can be bought. It is important that we collectively vote thos down.

StewBlu

What’s the history with the attached document? Did it leak from MGMT?

Otterbox

Focus energy on killing the current TA with no votes first. Voting is still open.