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Old 07-01-2022, 06:49 AM
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Default TA Ballot still open: Make your voice heard!

The MEC Ballot for UPA2022 is still open. Apparently, once they open a ballot, it cannot be closed unless they present ANOTHER TA to replace it.

That is highly unlikely. Don’t get complacent.

Make sure your voice is heard. Show Kirby that we, the rank and file pilots, the pilots who actually do the work, mean business.

It’s not over until the results come in.


VOTE.
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Old 07-01-2022, 07:11 AM
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We need to reject this steamer conventionally, so that our house cleaning can go forward. All of our representatives who have become institutionalized by ALPA office need to be booted!!! They need to go back to the line and learn how to fly again. They need to get an untriggered reassignment, extended into a day off, have their layover changed, have their layover switched from a long layover to a short because of delays, etc. Basically they need to have a dose of reality!!!
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Old 07-01-2022, 07:45 AM
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I expect a new TA in a week with an X% pay and full retro.

Don't fall for it. Inflation will eat that X% in no time and we'll be stuck with terrible scope and work rules. Suppose X is a total of 30%. 8% inflation eats that up in about 3.5 years. A dollar one year from now won't be a dollar today. No one knows what it will be. But a day off will always be a day and field standby will always be field standby. Let's not build pools on the beach ahead of the rising tide of inflation.
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Old 07-01-2022, 08:21 AM
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Printable bag tags here United MEC announces suspension of TA Activit
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I expect a new TA in a week with an X% pay and full retro.

Don't fall for it. Inflation will eat that X% in no time and we'll be stuck with terrible scope and work rules. Suppose X is a total of 30%. 8% inflation eats that up in about 3.5 years.
Just for some perspective, general professional consensus (which is worth what it’s worth) is for inflation to level off back toward 2%-3% beyond 2022. I don’t think anyone will sign onto a long term deal that considers 8% inflation year over year. A big front-end increase to account for the past few years followed by more moderate increases thereafter would more realistically follow most economic forecasts.

That’s just touching on the pay side of the equation. I realize you were making a larger point about not trading work rules for pay, which I agree with.
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Uh, yeah, because they’ve been so spot-on in the past. You know, those “professionals”

It is just transitory.
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Uh, yeah, because they’ve been so spot-on in the past. You know, those “professionals”

It is just transitory.
Like I said, I’m not claiming they can’t be wrong- just that it’s the forecast people are working from. No company is going to sign a long-term wage contract that carries 8% inflation into a period forecast to be at 3%.

The reality of the past is in our favor for sizeable increases & reconciliation. Future forecasts as of now don’t support that in the long-term, though.
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Rumor has it that 3000 votes are in. 2700 NO.

Not sure how they got access to the information, but that’s the rumor.
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Like I said, I’m not claiming they can’t be wrong- just that it’s the forecast people are working from. No company is going to sign a long-term wage contract that carries 8% inflation into a period forecast to be at 3%.

The reality of the past is in our favor for sizeable increases & reconciliation. Future forecasts as of now don’t support that in the long-term, though.
Right. But my point only depends on the uncertainty of inflation. Accepting a 30% raise might be good or bad. But compromising scope and work rules is always bad.
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Originally Posted by AlettaOcean
Rumor has it that 3000 votes are in. 2700 NO.

Not sure how they got access to the information, but that’s the rumor.

Not true. The ballot is run under DOL rules and those rules say that no one sees the data before voting ends.


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