United MEC announces suspension of TA Activit
07-01-2022, 06:41 AM
#51
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I was on the fence, ended up being a no vote due to scope changes and what I felt was pretty loose contractual language that basically allowed to company discretion over some of our “gains.”
I’m personally not on the pitchfork/recall bandwagon, I know a lot of these reps are good people who fly the line quite a bit and made a bad choice. That said, if they agree to suspend the vote, I will absolutely be on the recall/replace train. The vote is all about accountability and sending a message that the Four full-timers need to be flushed
I’m personally not on the pitchfork/recall bandwagon, I know a lot of these reps are good people who fly the line quite a bit and made a bad choice. That said, if they agree to suspend the vote, I will absolutely be on the recall/replace train. The vote is all about accountability and sending a message that the Four full-timers need to be flushed
07-01-2022, 06:42 AM
#52
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No…well not like is being suggested.
Per the C&BL, a membership ratification will remain active unless superseded by another ballot.
The actual language: “Once membership ratification is established it will remain in effect until changed by another ballot of the membership through MEC action."
In other words, only another TA could kill this one. Given the magnitude of negativity, I wouldn’t think another one would even be discussed in that short amount of time. This MEC needs to run another poll, regroup (assuming recalls don’t happen), make another plan and go execute it. That can’t happen in the time left to vote.
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Per the C&BL, a membership ratification will remain active unless superseded by another ballot.
The actual language: “Once membership ratification is established it will remain in effect until changed by another ballot of the membership through MEC action."
In other words, only another TA could kill this one. Given the magnitude of negativity, I wouldn’t think another one would even be discussed in that short amount of time. This MEC needs to run another poll, regroup (assuming recalls don’t happen), make another plan and go execute it. That can’t happen in the time left to vote.
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We (the membership) need to do some house cleaning and get the representatives that have been institutionalized out of ALPA office. They all need to go back to the line and learn how to fly again!!! Get an untriggered reassignment, have their overnights changed, have an overnight that was a long overnight changed to a short overnight because of delays, etc. Basically have a dose of reality!!!
07-01-2022, 06:45 AM
#53
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And kirby clearly wanted this to pass before the Q2 earnings report to lock in cheap labor and/or secure financing for his next order. Isom just torpedoed that opportunity.
07-01-2022, 06:49 AM
#54
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07-01-2022, 06:52 AM
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Which begs the question: After 3.5 years, why were Hamilton and the MEC so eager to get this done 4 DAYS PRIOR to record Q2 results?
It’s corruption, plain and simple.
07-01-2022, 06:55 AM
#56
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but our TA is worth $1.2b over two years and AA’s is over $2b over the same timeframe?
07-01-2022, 07:07 AM
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07-01-2022, 07:15 AM
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Management negotiated this in good faith. If the MEC pulls the vote, is that good faith on our part? Is it good faith to pull a deal based on pay rumors from AA management with no contract language to back it up? Suppose they pull the deal and go into mediation. What then? Any mediator in their right mind should impose the TA as it exists currently, or at least use it as a heavily weighted starting point. OTOH if the membership votes it down then we're back to square one and haven't violated expectations on either side.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
07-01-2022, 07:22 AM
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Management negotiated this in good faith. If the MEC pulls the vote, is that good faith on our part? Is it good faith to pull a deal based on pay rumors from AA management with no contract language to back it up? Suppose they pull the deal and go into mediation. What then? Any mediator in their right mind should impose the TA as it exists currently, or at least use it as a heavily weighted starting point. OTOH if the membership votes it down then we're back to square one and haven't violated expectations on either side.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
07-01-2022, 07:23 AM
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Management negotiated this in good faith. If the MEC pulls the vote, is that good faith on our part? Is it good faith to pull a deal based on pay rumors from AA management with no contract language to back it up? Suppose they pull the deal and go into mediation. What then? Any mediator in their right mind should impose the TA as it exists currently, or at least use it as a heavily weighted starting point. OTOH if the membership votes it down then we're back to square one and haven't violated expectations on either side.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
The MEC must choose their steps very carefully here. Shutting down the vote could have a huge impact on our leverage moving forward.
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