View Poll Results: Should the MEC resign?
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Should the MEC resign?
06-30-2022, 06:36 AM
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yes the yes voters should
and send the MC back to be a PI again
i am sure they would accept him back
management loves him
His EVP and ALPA jobs are done as well
We will campaign against him if he tries
06-30-2022, 06:50 AM
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The LEC reps vote. I would like to have every LEC rep that voted yes face a recall. But that's for the individual LECs.
06-30-2022, 06:54 AM
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YES.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
06-30-2022, 07:02 AM
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YES.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
06-30-2022, 07:19 AM
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i am ware of it
yes the ex executive MEC has no voting power
I said the body who the authority to a vote
06-30-2022, 07:25 AM
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YES.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
I am sure Mr. Insler is babsitting him right now while the MEC attempts to pacify the pilot group and triage their way out of this mess.
Here's the deal. The MEC Chairman has been in the training center his entire career. He only has about 2500 total time combined in all fleet types at UAL and in all seats. That represents his entire 25 plus year career at United. There's no way for him to feel the pain and anger of line pilots if he has never come out here and done the job. When you elect local council reps they should be cut of a similar cloth as you, the line pilot. When you elect a Master Chair, it should be someone the line pilots instantaneously recognize as a champion of their cuase. Someone who has walked the walk and who carries street credibility when he/she talks. The MEC Chair cannot regain his lost stature. He has fallen from grace and no one can pick him up, save himself. We, the line pilots don't have his back. We don't see him having ours. The company knows the pilots are ****ed. But, here's the deal. They also know pilots aren't ****ed at management, they know we're ****ed at our union. Management loves this. But, that's ok. It's part of the grieving and healing process.
Management knows they can't reach a deal with this MEC now. The pilots will have to go through the recall process at a few domiciles and ultimately at the MEC. It will take about 90 days to get the ship back in the water. And, that's OK too. The right thing for Hamilton to do is resign. Will he? No, likely Insler is advising him on what to do. Back in the day, Paul Rice used to put his own recall on the agenda at every MEC meeting. Why? As a sign of both respect to his fellow officers and pilots and to make it easy to make a leadership change should the body feel he was off course. That's what Hamilton should do now.
Unionism is a learned activity. You can read all the books you want to, but until you get in the pits and start hammering you aren't battle tested yet. UAL pilots and UAL MEC reps have had a very cordial and professional relationship with Management. Management doesn't want to pick a fight. Why? It would unify the pilots. It would give them a central cause to rally around. We at United don't have battle axe wielding figures like Debbie McCoy, Fred Abbott, or Jim Starley to worry about. We aren't up at night making voo doo dolls in the likeness of Jeff Smizek. We just go to work, fly our jet and go home. Sounds pretty cushy right? We aren't fighting over Captain's authority, and when we call in fatigued that call is handled professionally. We have FODM's that generally assist us when in need.
We've got it pretty good, operationally speaking. So, that tends to make us lazy and complacent as unionists. We need to start HATING something. But, mostly we've got to get unified around the idea that "We are Worth More." We're worth more than our management presumes and we're worth more than our MEC assumes. This is a great opportunity for the former CAL MEC officers to stand up and speak up. Get the MEC's attention. For the most part your still dealing with leftover CAL management and that "low ball mindset" is being institutionalized within the missile silo's in Chicago. We know what Zullo is doing. What we don't know is who he is mentoring. There are always two. The Master and the Apprentice.
The relationships that were formed in the CAL Contract known as POS 02 are still being massaged today. At the CAL MEC, it was well stated "it's all about the relationship." Do not be surprised to learn how many former Contract 02 negotiators are involved in this mess, both from the company side and the union side.
bingo
spot on
06-30-2022, 08:52 AM
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I do agree that POS02 and this TA stink. Aside from that, who are these mystery men?
06-30-2022, 10:53 AM
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Shouldn't you be hanging out in DEN ?
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