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Old 06-29-2022, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Like others in our LEC/MEC Chris has been involved as a Rep for way too many years. He was a part of our merger contract as the JFK LEC S/T 10 plus years ago and has been the 005 FO Rep for at least the last 6 years I believe. We need a lot of new blood, way to
much Stockholm Syndrome with some Reps and numerous key MEC committee members.
Stockholm syndrome is too kind and implies victimhood. This letter is sanctimonious and laced with arrogance.


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Old 06-29-2022, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cazadores
Stockholm syndrome is too kind and implies victimhood. This letter is sanctimonious and laced with arrogance.


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Agreed! After TA is voted down, massive recalls are in order. These guys can’t have anything to do with TA-2!
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Old 06-29-2022, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Agreed! After TA is voted down, massive recalls are in order. These guys can’t have anything to do with TA-2!
Careful, you might get accused of engaging in "overheated emotional rhetoric"...

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Old 06-29-2022, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
C-5 ... you guys need to recall him immediately after the TA gets voted down.

cryster's recall shoudlnt wait
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Old 06-29-2022, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by calpilottoo
just curious. What’s his seniority, what equipment is he on, is he a line holder or reserve, and what type of ca could he hold, and most important, how many years does he have left?

Surely he represents the 26 year old reserve nb fo newlywed or new hire with a pregnant wife as a commuter in ewr with absolute understanding of what their life is like.
Looks like 44% DEN 737 CA
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Old 06-29-2022, 05:36 PM
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Flown with him. This letter sums him up. Condescending smug a$$h@&e
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Old 06-29-2022, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
We have a chance to reset the broken model of negotiations, which drag on for years past amendable dates, usually ending up under the auspices of the NMB, and leaving years of un-unrealized value for the pilots in the company coffers. If we can achieve a two-year contract cycle and use the power of the LOA to capture value in the midterm, we can get more contract value in OUR pockets, not management’s.
Your MEC and your NC have proven that they have never had the intention nor the knowledge nor the ability to "reset the broken model of negotiations." Their talks with United management began in March 2018. They allowed negotiations to drag on for more than FOUR years without your pilot group calling them out. AND THEN, they produced this turd of a TA.

How and why would they suddenly be willing or able to change their spots and become a cunning and aggressive adversary in bargaining against United management?

If your pilot group is going to "reset the broken model of negotiations," something radically different would have to be done, Does this guy even have a clue what that something might look like? I don't think so. And, if he does, why wasn't it done in the last four years? For example, this guy obviously thinks that filing for mediation is a bad thing, which in itself is a form of wishful thinking and a denial of reality because mediation must be gone through to pose a credible threat of legal self help. But, for argument's sake, let's humor him and suppose that he is correct: what did he do to attempt capitalize on an equivalent or more powerful form of leverage for you guys?

Y'all need to recall these guys. All of them. People like this idiocrat harm all of our careers and the well-being of all of our families.
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Old 06-29-2022, 06:35 PM
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We have a chance to reset the broken model of negotiations, which drag on for years past amendable dates, usually ending up under the auspices of the NMB, and leaving years of un-unrealized value for the pilots in the company coffers. If we can achieve a two-year contract cycle and use the power of the LOA to capture value in the midterm, we can get more contract value in OUR pockets, not management’s.
What'n hell? How does this agreement in ANY way do that? So dumb it's comical! 🤣 This is the kind of gaslighting these people love to engage in. Just saying something does not make it true, but if you say it enough times many will latch on to it like it is true...especially if they want it to be. Lorda'mighty...so dumb...sooooo dumb...
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Old 06-29-2022, 06:39 PM
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We have a chance to capture lower real wages, worse work rules and scope loss. How could we possibly pass this up?
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Old 06-29-2022, 06:48 PM
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We have a chance to capture lower real wages, worse work rules and scope loss. How could we possibly pass this up?
is it like Amway? If we get Delta and American under us in this pyramid scheme, do we get add pay?
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