Voting No Isn’t Enough
06-29-2022, 07:52 AM
#1
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 753
Voting No Isn’t Enough
Voting no isn’t enough. Believe it or not there is a lot of apathy within our pilot ranks.
Its up to all of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum reach out to all the United pilots you know and those you see at work and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as most of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and a hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
We will all regret it if this TA passes because we all assumed a failed membership ratification vote was a forgone conclusion.
Its up to all of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum reach out to all the United pilots you know and those you see at work and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as most of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and a hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
We will all regret it if this TA passes because we all assumed a failed membership ratification vote was a forgone conclusion.
06-29-2022, 08:30 AM
#2
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 43
Reject and recall.
Voting no isn’t enough. Believe it or not there is a lot of apathy within our pilot ranks.
Its up to all of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum reach out to all the United pilots you know and those you see at work and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as most of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and a hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
We will all regret it if this TA passes because we all assumed a failed membership ratification vote was a forgone conclusion.
Its up to all of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum reach out to all the United pilots you know and those you see at work and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as most of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and a hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
We will all regret it if this TA passes because we all assumed a failed membership ratification vote was a forgone conclusion.
have to wear my ALPA pin upside down, they don't seem to represent our interests at all! This is worse than what the IACP shoved down our throats.
06-29-2022, 08:40 AM
#3
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 61
Reject and Recall: I agree with you 100%. We had better proactively defeat this thing or we might end up crying over it. I think I may
have to wear my ALPA pin upside down, they don't seem to represent our interests at all! This is worse than what the IACP shoved down our throats.
have to wear my ALPA pin upside down, they don't seem to represent our interests at all! This is worse than what the IACP shoved down our throats.
06-29-2022, 09:03 AM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: F-16
Posts: 201
Reject and Recall: I agree with you 100%. We had better proactively defeat this thing or we might end up crying over it. I think I may
have to wear my ALPA pin upside down, they don't seem to represent our interests at all! This is worse than what the IACP shoved down our throats.
have to wear my ALPA pin upside down, they don't seem to represent our interests at all! This is worse than what the IACP shoved down our throats.
It will take more time but this entire crew has failed us miserably, and they all need to go back to the line and see what’s actually going on!
06-29-2022, 10:00 AM
#6
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 146
06-29-2022, 11:04 AM
#7
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 753
Agreed but that’s step 2. Step 1 - We must not only reject the TA, but by as large a margin as possible. Having this TA pass will not only have severe ramifications for all United pilots but the rest of the industry.
Again everyone please do everything you can to educate all United pilots as to why a NO vote is so important. Do not under estimate the UAL ALPA propaganda, sales and doom and gloom team. This TA must fail!
Again everyone please do everything you can to educate all United pilots as to why a NO vote is so important. Do not under estimate the UAL ALPA propaganda, sales and doom and gloom team. This TA must fail!
06-29-2022, 11:31 AM
#8
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Pilot
Posts: 531
Voting no isn’t enough.
A recall isn’t enough.
To get a better TA, one that is closer to maintaining current QOL, scope, benefits and keeping up with recent inflation, the pilots will have to use leverage, be strong, change their behavior and take risks. The pilots will need to fight and make life difficult for the company.
This is the ONLY successful method to stop the multi-decadal decline in our careers.
I wish us luck. We will all need to sacrifice to achieve long-term goals and protect our careers. There is no easy way out of this, it starts with looking in the mirror, acknowledging our fears and moving forward.
A recall isn’t enough.
To get a better TA, one that is closer to maintaining current QOL, scope, benefits and keeping up with recent inflation, the pilots will have to use leverage, be strong, change their behavior and take risks. The pilots will need to fight and make life difficult for the company.
This is the ONLY successful method to stop the multi-decadal decline in our careers.
I wish us luck. We will all need to sacrifice to achieve long-term goals and protect our careers. There is no easy way out of this, it starts with looking in the mirror, acknowledging our fears and moving forward.
06-29-2022, 02:02 PM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 496
Dude I hope I get to fly with you some day. Your historical insults references put Archie Bunker to shame. Who knew Opie had a last name? Award BQN+++ next bid! But pin will be right side up cause that protest has a track record of meaningless hardo bravado.
06-29-2022, 03:31 PM
#10
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,264
Voting no isn’t enough.
A recall isn’t enough.
To get a better TA, one that is closer to maintaining current QOL, scope, benefits and keeping up with recent inflation, the pilots will have to use leverage, be strong, change their behavior and take risks. The pilots will need to fight and make life difficult for the company.
This is the ONLY successful method to stop the multi-decadal decline in our careers.
I wish us luck. We will all need to sacrifice to achieve long-term goals and protect our careers. There is no easy way out of this, it starts with looking in the mirror, acknowledging our fears and moving forward.
A recall isn’t enough.
To get a better TA, one that is closer to maintaining current QOL, scope, benefits and keeping up with recent inflation, the pilots will have to use leverage, be strong, change their behavior and take risks. The pilots will need to fight and make life difficult for the company.
This is the ONLY successful method to stop the multi-decadal decline in our careers.
I wish us luck. We will all need to sacrifice to achieve long-term goals and protect our careers. There is no easy way out of this, it starts with looking in the mirror, acknowledging our fears and moving forward.
Not to nitpick, but I hope the objective of your guys' next TA is not to just maintain QOL, scope, and benefits, and to merely keep up with inflation. I hope it's to improve on all of those items (and more) and significantly beat inflation.
And, another point, in order to use leverage, you need to know what your leverage is. What scares the company? What really, actually motivates the executives and the corporate board of directors? Where are their pain points?
To win against the corporatocracy we, as a profession, are facing isn't easy. First, we all need to get our minds wrapped around the fact that appeasement and a disengaged pilot group doesn't work. You guys proved that again with the TA you're voting on. More than 3.5 years of negotiations and that is what was produced. SMH.
Like you said to win will also require sacrifice. And, it will require hard work, getting out of our comfort zones, creative thinking, and adapting our strategies to take advantage of the reality of the negotiating landscape we inhabit rather than wishing things were different.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
