Hamilton FOOKED UP: Secret Meeting
06-29-2022, 10:26 AM
#21
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I agree 100%. Now it’s time to do our part and vote No. What percentage did the DAL TA fail by, almost 70%?
It’s up to all each and everyone of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum please try to reach out to all the United pilots you know and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as those of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
It’s up to all each and everyone of us to make sure voter apathy doesn’t allow this TA to pass. Please everyone on this forum please try to reach out to all the United pilots you know and educate those that aren’t as well informed or engaged as those of us on all the various forums and social media groups.
Don’t take anything for granted until the voting period ends. A TA rejection isn’t a forgone conclusion. The MEC propaganda machine and hard pressed sales job and fear campaign will ratchet up significantly over the next several weeks.
IIRC DAL C 2015 TA-1 was rejected by about 66%. Our CEO and our fearless union leaders assured us we would not get a better deal. Our union leadership went bonkers trying to sell us on it but it did not work. We go a much better deal and TA-2 was approved by 82%. Also our rejection had second and third order affects throughout the industry. I think SWA and Possibly FDX both also rejected deals soon after.
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06-29-2022, 11:26 AM
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AFAIK, MEC officers can't get a do-over on their vote after the matter has been resolved and sent to the membership.
Whether he is sincere or just able to read the tea leaves and is saving his hide, I don't know. That's for the rank and file at C-11 to determine.
One can view Capt Cryster's letter on our ALPA website under the C-11 tab.
06-29-2022, 11:32 AM
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IIRC DAL C 2015 TA-1 was rejected by about 66%. Our CEO and our fearless union leaders assured us we would not get a better deal. Our union leadership went bonkers trying to sell us on it but it did not work. We go a much better deal and TA-2 was approved by 82%. Also our rejection had second and third order affects throughout the industry. I think SWA and Possibly FDX both also rejected deals soon after.
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06-29-2022, 12:00 PM
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IIRC DAL C 2015 TA-1 was rejected by about 66%. Our CEO and our fearless union leaders assured us we would not get a better deal. Our union leadership went bonkers trying to sell us on it but it did not work. We go a much better deal and TA-2 was approved by 82%. Also our rejection had second and third order affects throughout the industry. I think SWA and Possibly FDX both also rejected deals soon after.
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06-29-2022, 12:01 PM
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Promising something that is not certain only makes your argument sound stupid. Nothing is guaranteed. I think we’re of the same mind that management wants a deal for a number of reasons. That increases our odds of a positive outcome, but does not secure it.- work remains to be done. This is the world of labor negotiations. Sometimes you have to make the adult decision to leave something on the table when you believe something better is achievable. Most pilots here understand that. Claiming a quick & improved TA2 is a “guarantee” doesn’t help. It insults people’s intelligence & makes you sound like a snake oil salesman.
06-29-2022, 12:03 PM
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That's a mischaracterization of Capt Cryster's (C-11 Chair) letter. He basically stated that he has reevaluated his yes vote as a MEC officer due to inputs from the rank and file. As a result, his vote will be No for the TA. Not as a MEC officer, but as a United pilot.
AFAIK, MEC officers can't get a do-over on their vote after the matter has been resolved and sent to the membership.
Whether he is sincere or just able to read the tea leaves and is saving his hide, I don't know. That's for the rank and file at C-11 to determine.
One can view Capt Cryster's letter on our ALPA website under the C-11 tab.
AFAIK, MEC officers can't get a do-over on their vote after the matter has been resolved and sent to the membership.
Whether he is sincere or just able to read the tea leaves and is saving his hide, I don't know. That's for the rank and file at C-11 to determine.
One can view Capt Cryster's letter on our ALPA website under the C-11 tab.
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06-29-2022, 12:09 PM
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That’s a fair argument. It’s all about risk vs. reward. Your assessment makes a rejection of the TA a “zero risk” decision without considering the likelihood of a better deal. I’d say we’re roughly in the same neighborhood on that.
06-29-2022, 12:25 PM
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I make no guarantees that we'll get a quick turnaround on TA2. However, if it takes a long time to get TA2, I'd be willing to bet it's due to a poor economy. And if it's a poor economy after this passes, I would expect the company to come after the entire TA pay raise along with eliminating most of the add pay - so we'd have worse work rules for the same pay we currently have.
06-29-2022, 02:21 PM
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Too many QOL erosions in this TA. The current contract is better than this one. Not worth the 30 shekels that are being offered.
I make no guarantees that we'll get a quick turnaround on TA2. However, if it takes a long time to get TA2, I'd be willing to bet it's due to a poor economy. And if it's a poor economy after this passes, I would expect the company to come after the entire TA pay raise along with eliminating most of the add pay - so we'd have worse work rules for the same pay we currently have.
I make no guarantees that we'll get a quick turnaround on TA2. However, if it takes a long time to get TA2, I'd be willing to bet it's due to a poor economy. And if it's a poor economy after this passes, I would expect the company to come after the entire TA pay raise along with eliminating most of the add pay - so we'd have worse work rules for the same pay we currently have.
06-29-2022, 02:24 PM
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Too many QOL erosions in this TA. The current contract is better than this one. Not worth the 30 shekels that are being offered.
I make no guarantees that we'll get a quick turnaround on TA2. However, if it takes a long time to get TA2, I'd be willing to bet it's due to a poor economy. And if it's a poor economy after this passes, I would expect the company to come after the entire TA pay raise along with eliminating most of the add pay - so we'd have worse work rules for the same pay we currently have.
I make no guarantees that we'll get a quick turnaround on TA2. However, if it takes a long time to get TA2, I'd be willing to bet it's due to a poor economy. And if it's a poor economy after this passes, I would expect the company to come after the entire TA pay raise along with eliminating most of the add pay - so we'd have worse work rules for the same pay we currently have.
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