AxlF16

This is the question we should all ask our LEC and MEC officers.

They HAVE TO have a moderately developed plan for a NO vote. I specifically want to hear this from the MC and the LEC members who voted in favor.

The answer to this question will give you a good idea of what's ahead for us.

UALinIAH

Honestly I don’t care. The current contract is light years ahead in terms of QOL and potentially pay (since PP trips will at minimum be reduced). For example this am on my BES as a IAH 737 CA 5 trips tomorrow starting before 10am have PP attached, every single trip after 10am is straight pay. A couple open PP trips/year and I make a 4% raise. If this POS passes I can show up at show time and be taken off my trip for any reason (it’s been moved to step 2 so even before going to a RSV or SRM) and no longer get 125% for abrogating my seniority.

That’s just a single example.

AxlF16

The answer won't change my vote, but it will give you a glimpse of the future...and how/if you need to rethink how you do your job or mentor newer pilots. Winter is coming IMO.

As far as protecting your ability to earn premium pay? I dont give a crap. THAT'S a big part of our problem. WE have shown the company that WE can fix their problems...its just a question of how much Add Pay. This TA is the fruit of that poisonous approach.

UALinIAH

My point was now I can CHOSE if I want the pay or stay home for the current pay. My seniority matters. If you want the extra pay grab it. Want to fly your awarded line, do so. This one change makes basic lineholders into reserves the moment they show up. That is completely unacceptable. There are so many QOL gives in this thing that no amount of add pay makes it worth it.

In my 27 years at UAL the one thing that was always preached is NEVER GIVE UP QOL (or scope). It’s damn near impossible to get back. This TA gives up both.

TFAYD

this ^^^^^

i am all about choice. They can throw 300% on a trip for all I care. But don’t want to be forced on anything. I want it to be my choice.

Stoutflier

I can tell you what happened over at Delta:

When we saw how bad it was in 2015, we started a grass-roots campaign to get the word out on social media to counter the over $1.5M sales job effort from our own union. We literally had an entire committee of guys in black polos (union thugs) intercepting layover crews worldwide to spread the gospel about the TA, and how we would never get a better deal.

The TA failed (thank God), and our MEC Chairman resigned. The rest of the MEC had to be culled through the normal election process. It took us another 9 mos to get a TA, and it was still concessionary in some aspects, but not near as bad as the original.

I can tell you, we, the rest of the ALPA pilots around the country, are praying to God you guys flush this turd hard.

One other thing; All ALPA pilots need to push for a change in the bylaws wrt ALPA National President pay. There is only ONE single pilot in this entire country that will get paid an A380 rate, and that's the next ALPA President.
That's absurd.

DodgerBlue

Not a big fan of polos, but where do I pick mine up.

Stoutflier

I should clarify, the black polo guys were the union thugs recruited to sell the TA.

WHACKMASTER

Their plan if your TA gets voted down? Well that’s simple. Their plan should be to go back to the line because their asses need to be recalled for this insult to your collective intelligences.

TodKindrsChikun

I’m sure we’ll be told what’s going to happen if we vote it down. It’ll sound dismal. There’s going to be a strong wiff of fear in the presentation over the next couple weeks. Sorry folks, I’d rather have my dignity than vote for this thing. If you don’t believe me, read what the pilots at other carriers are saying about us. I’m sick and tired of being the laughing stock of the industry. I remember FedEx and UPS pilots literally thanking us for C2000 at United. Today, we just shrug our shoulders and say FedEx and UPS aren’t our peers. Sad.