Andy

Sure, but odds are that you're a United pilot.
If others post similar statements, that's a problem.
I don't know who you are, but the companies will subpoena details from APC to determine exactly who you are. And there are likely enough digital crumbs for them to figure out exactly who you are.

Mytime2025

Who gives a **** . Flying to the contract is what everyone should be doing anyway. Under zero obligation to pick up trips . Stop your paranoia and fight for what will be TA 2

flensr

Nonsense. I was there. ALPA had reams of evidence that the alleged "work slowdown" was invented by the company. The schedule when initially awarded/released was wholly unflyable, a massive status quo violation in of itself. We saw it coming when the entire month was "red", with reserve buffers (reserves minus open time lines) almost every day well into the negative numbers. The judge ruled before the ALPA lawyer even arrived in court, based on a stack of 500 pages of internet hero posts, mostly by the same couple dozen pilots many of whom didn't even work for spirit.

The only bright side of that whole thing was that spirit mgt grossly overplayed their hand. In trying to gain advantage over the spirit pilot group they ended up losing well over $50M the first week of that May, and during the cooling off period ALPA took their data to the investors and not only showed them what a farce it all was, they gave them the right questions to ask.

During the post-TRO months before the next negotiation session, it became clear who had really won. The key indicator was when spirit changed ONE LINE in their investor presentation from "growth is constrained by aircraft deliveries" to "growth is constrained by the pilot contract". Bingo.

A month later the largest gain in RLA history was proposed by the company, so big that the mediator told our negotiators that the board would not support further negotiation delays based on compensation. So the final vote ended up being balancing the largest compensation increase in history (43% if I recall correctly?) against moving from line bidding to PBS, while keeping almost all of the favorable work rules that ultimately kept PBS from being a win for spirit even long-term.

The reporting to the contrary, that's a lot closer to what really happened than the company propaganda based "reporting" you may have read that was written by people who had absolutely zero firsthand knowledge. They didn't see the post-it notes in scheduling that told them to call only one pilot every 10 minutes for short notice open time, where before that they could call darn near the entire base in 10 minutes. They didn't compare that May's schedule and negative reserve buffers to April or June of that year, let alone compare it to the previous year.

In the end it worked out for the spirit pilots but the lies shouldn't go unchallenged. The entire TRO was not only based off of a lie about a schedule that was unflyable from the day it was awarded, but the judge ruled in favor of the company based on a pile of internet posts from a mere handful of internet tough guys saying little more than "fly your line", without even waiting for ALPA to arrive and present their evidence that it was all a sham. That's a warning story, don't give your company the opportunity to do the same thing just because you bought into the nonsense about what really happened when spirit pilots to got that TRO.

That Guy 74

Drop the stupid A380 and add the Boom rates...unless Skywest is gonna fly the Boom for us instead.

Don't forget to add 'United Next' in that list, which is different than Core4. United Next does have pillars, of which the third is customer service. I'm no C-Suite dude or dudette, but shouldn't the customer be the FIRST pillar??

Y'all make sure to show up at 0500 for that 0600 departure on day 1 of reserve though and make the PAX announcement from the front of First Class.

Be sure not to trip over the Tumi suitcase sticking into the doorway to the cockpit because it doesn't fit in the 73 pilot stowage area...

Lewbronski

That's great info. Thanks for sharing.

It's also an example of how a work slowdown outside of legal RLA avenues may actually generate success. There are risks to it but maybe it's worth it especially when you haven't even started mediation yet. I guess the main takeaways would be: 1) it helped generate wins for the pilot group, and 2) if guys are going to do it, don't talk about it especially in any kind of recorded public forum, like APC.

iahflyr

Absolutely. Sometimes it’s nice to be “too big to fail” ($25 Billion dollar CARES packages), and other items it’s bad (being able to strike). No way a modern day president lets one of the big 4 airlines strike. Too much to lose and nothing to gain.

Lewbronski

I agree with you that a president would likely establish a PEB if one of the big airlines were to be released to self help, though in the five “major” airline strikes since 1997 (Northwest, Comair, Polar, World, and Spirit), neither the president nor Congress intervened.

But, even if the president does intervene, he/she only gets to unilaterally delay self help by an additional 60 days. He/she can’t just decide to indefinitely bind the parties in the status quo of a PEB. Under his his/her own authority, the president is limited to 60 days. That’s it.

In many ways, that additional 60 days is an advantage to labor because status quo is maintained, pilots are still bringing home a pay check, and importantly, there’s another 60 days of passengers booking away from the airline as word spreads more and more among the public that the airline in question may end up in a strike.

Here’s what a deputy attorney general under the first President Bush determined in a legal analysis of the question of whether or not the president can unilaterally extend a PEB (you can read the full document here):

dera

Just as a point of reference, Envoy has pre-assigned early RAP on day 1 of reserve, and it is the most viciously hated soul-crushing work rule ever imaginable for a commuter.
For years, it was the number 1 item on pilot polls as item to remove in negotiations.
It alone should be a reason for a no-vote. It only benefits very few pilots who live in base, it removes premium pay opportunities for lineholders, and destroys the QOL for commuters. But it is a huge gain for the company.